<p>Depends which science course. Organic chemistry aka Orgo is legendary for weeding out the who can be pre-med.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Well, seven since 1982 (when computerized records began).</p>
<p>[Rare</a> 4.0 GPA for Fresno Harvard grad | KSEE 24 News - Central Valley’s News Station: Fresno-Visalia - News, Sports, Weather | Local News](<a href=“http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/27935989.html]Rare”>http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/27935989.html)</p>
<p>That’s the girl I was speaking of. Clearly a 4.0 isn’t that helpful for her.</p>
<p>Why would you care about getting a 4.0 at Harvard? Harvard graduates get great opportunities with mere 3.9 or 3.8 GPAs. I doubt the ones with 4.0s do better; they may even do worse if they have neglected life outside the classroom in order to achieve their perfect grades.</p>
<p>I have a good friend who graduated from Yale with a 4.0 (the only person to do that in the four years I was there), and later had a perfect record at Yale Law School, too. She is an awesome processor and regurgitator of information, and excellent at solving puzzles with unique solutions. But she would be quick to admit that she is not very creative, and that has limited her career (which has been pretty fabulous nevertheless, but not so much in leadership roles).</p>
<p>Son is doing premed and so takes a lot of science. He says those classes in some ways are his easiest - more objective, more psets and midterms to spread the weight around so that one single paper of final doesn’t determine the whole grade. Of course, as a premed he is not taking the upper division science classes, just the big standard ones.</p>
<p>We haven’t seen the infamous grade inflation at Harvard.Son works very hard. Certainly does not have a 4.0.</p>
<p>Hey, JHS one Ivy 4.0 in your acquaintance does not mean every Ivy 4.0 lacks creativity.</p>
<p>Quote: "Depends which science course. Organic chemistry aka Orgo is legendary for weeding out the who can be pre-med. "</p>
<p>weeding out harvard students. arent they already the best of the best?</p>
<p>The most intelligent and hard working kid in Harvard I know is an Afro American who graduated. The kid has no 4.0 but have common sense sometime that lacks in very intelligent people who are good at bookish knowledge and lack creativity. The kid is probably the most intelligent kid I will ever know in my lifetime. Many kids, who are closer to 4.0, flocked to the kid for valuable advice. This kid is most street smart, intelligent, caring, and articulate and will be very successful person. The most important quality in the kid is a team player.</p>
<p><<Quote: "Depends which science course. Organic chemistry aka Orgo is legendary for weeding out the who can be pre-med. "</p>
<p>weeding out harvard students. arent they already the best of the best?>></p>
<p>Not everyone at Harvard who aspires to become a doctor can hack the pre-med requirements. Some quit pre-med. Others might continue on the pre-med track but get bad grades. In applying to medical school, it’s the ones who got good grades who get accepted at Harvard Medical School. </p>
<p>For any Harvard undergrad planning to apply to grad schools, grades do matter. I had to explain this to an interviewee who said she was looking forward to college as a place where grades don’t matter as much as in high school and students aren’t as competitive as in high school.</p>
<p>sewhappy – My points, in context, should have been fairly clear:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>4.0s at Harvard and Yale are pretty rare. I have no idea about other Ivies.</p></li>
<li><p>A 4.0 does not mean that you will be more successful than someone with a 3.9 or 3.8.</p></li>
</ol>
<p>I did not (and would not) argue that all Ivy 4.0s lack creativity, only that it is perfectly possible to be one of the rare people to get a 4.0 at HY and to lack creativity. The woman in question is one of the smartest people I know; her intelligence is dazzling; and she has had the kind of career that people dream about. But so have lots of her classmates. Her college and law school 4.0s are fun facts about her, but haven’t propelled her any farther than if she had gotten less-than-perfect grades.</p>
<p>The orgo comment is funny. My kid was scared to take orgo, took it and it was her best course. She’s a tf for the course.</p>
<p>DocT your daughter sounds as if she will have her pick of top medical schools.</p>
<p>JHS, I hope you’re right about a 3.8 equaling a 4.0 in the eyes of grad school admissions and job recruitment. I really do.</p>