<p>Is it very tough? Also if I rush a frat, would it be 1st semester and interfere with my classes?</p>
<p>Kelley is tough to get into because the requirements consist of weed-out classes that can be tricky. Also, B- 's and W’s on your transcripts can really screw you over. If you are diligent and study and work hard for your grades, you can get the solid B average that you’ll need to get in. </p>
<p>You can rush either in spring or fall. From what I’ve seen and been told, pledgeship is really time consuming (although that mostly depends on where you sign), so if you don’t think you can handle it you can always rush spring instead.</p>
<p>It is so competitive now to get into Kelley, mostly because direct admits take up so many slots. Data from Kelley appearing in Businessweek for 2005-06 and 2010-11 is very revealing.</p>
<p>2005-06
Direct Admits 332
Regular Admits 955
Total 1287</p>
<p>2010-11
Direct Admits 829
Regular Admits 553
Total 1382</p>
<p>Kelley added one hundreds slots 2010/11 over 2005/06, but they also had 500 more direct admits. In 2005/06, 78% of the internal applicants (in other words, freshmen and sophomores applying) were accepted. The percentage of internal applicants who got in 2010/11 was not decipherable from the Businessweek stats, but it is no doubt way less than fifty percent, someone who worked in Kelley said that less than fifty percent got accepted a few years ago, and the number getting in probably goes down every year.</p>
<p>So when they say you have to get solid B’s across all coursework, you probably do have to get solid B’s across all coursework. In terms of scheduling, just do the minimum, get all B’s and higher, and they have to let you in. Don’t push your luck by taking extra hard math classes and don’t take both finite and calculus in your freshman year-- only one of these classes is required (both are difficult, but calculus is by far the least “quirky” of the two, so I recommend taking M119-- do not take M211 or M212 if you test into them at orientation, no matter what your adviser tells you to do. Kelley will not be impressed if you take both finite and calculus; just take one and get at least a solid B in it and in every other class you take. Use the grade distribution and take the easiest grading classes you can find. Also, Fall semester take CSCI A110 (Introduction to Computers and Computing), then Spring semester apply what you learn in that class (A110 and K201 have very similar content) to K201, which will make it much less difficult to get the solid B in K201. A110 will also help with the distribution option, because it is an easy N&M course.</p>
<p>“The only way to be guaranteed admission is to make all A’s and B’s in all courses, with no W’s. There is a risk of being denied admission or deferred if you have a single B- or W on your academic record.”
[Kelley</a> Admissions Blog](<a href=“http://kelleyadmit.blogspot.com/]Kelley”>http://kelleyadmit.blogspot.com/)</p>
<p>so rigor doesn’t matter? And also I’m taking honors calc senior year, would this be a pretty easy class if I already know a lot of calculus. And you said it is very hard but if I follow what you say, and study hard is it really. the classes you mentioned didn’t seem awful, and also I will get tutors and I’m planning on getting the textbooks in the fall after I get in (my GC said I would definitely get in) and studying the classes all senior year.</p>
<p>collegeready99, rigor is completely irrelevant. Take the easiest 26 credits you can, and get solid B and higher in every class and you are GUARANTEED entrance to Kelley. You can worry about impressing them after you get accepted.</p>
<p>Great that you are doing well in calculus in hs. Take M119 (do not under any circumstances take a higher calculus course just because you test into it at orientation; a lot of people make that mistake, withdraw from the class, and jeopardize getting accepted to Kelley) your first semester at IU while it is fresh in your mind. Do not take finite your freshman year at all. If you take X100, M119, and K204, A100 intro accounting (not actually required, but if you don’t take it first year, you will be behind everybody in your class) you will have taken all the business classes required to get into Kelley. Take CSCI A110 fall semester for an easy A in an N&M class and, more importantly, to prepare you for K201 in the Spring semester. Take X104 first semester. Avoid microeconomics at IU; the sections are huge and the tests are very difficult. [Previous</a> Exams](<a href=“http://mypage.iu.edu/~econcore/past-exams.html]Previous”>http://mypage.iu.edu/~econcore/past-exams.html) </p>
<p>Take some Icore prerequisites at community college in the summer after freshman year at IU that will transfer to Kelley, such as business law and finite math to get you back on track to complete all the Icore prerequisites in two years.</p>
<p>Why recommend not to take finite? It is quirky, and a lot of people who are good with other kinds of math have trouble with it. Even bigger reason is that finite and calculus are graded on a curve involving up to 300 students in each class, and the finite students as a whole are probably smarter than the ones who take calculus M119. This is because 1) you can’t test out of finite, so a lot of really good students wind up taking it at IU; 2) a lot of smart students do test out of calculus M119 and start out at a higher level class (M120, M211, and even M212), so your competition in M119 will be relatively weak. Relatively weak competition is good when you are trying to get a solid B or above.</p>
<p>OK so it really is not that hard then right? I mean how many classes would I take that are actually that hard and I would not get a least a B if I worked hard? And also how many classes would I take freshmen year? How many of those would be hard?</p>
<p>and what would be the ideal schedule</p>
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<p>You’ll be in E201/K201/M118/A100 all of which most people who take get under a B in.</p>
<p>OK well how many of those hard classes would I have at a time?</p>
<p>Here are the percentages of students who got a solid B or higher in some the weed out classes for Kelley in the Fall 2010 semester. You are right, you do not have to take both finite and calculus to get admitted to Kelley; it is probably a good idea not to take both your freshman year, despite the fact that some students actually take both the same semester. Take BUS X100 instead.</p>
<p>A100 – 37% out of 1900
X201 – 63% out of 727
M118 – 34% out of 3155
M119 – 30% out of 1863
E201 – 31% out of 1728</p>
<p>so i can take 4 off that list, a couple of easy type science or history classes, that english class they require and thats all you need? And also could those stats be skewed by the fact that a bunch just end up doing terribly and not study</p>
<p>Those were the weed out classes with the highest percentage of students who did not get at least a solid B. Does it still look easy to get in with those numbers? Remember that there are fewer slots for regular admission to Kelley every year, as the school becomes more popular and slots are given to students who qualify for direct admittance.</p>
<p>You would be guaranteed admission to Kelley by taking the Kelley classes required for application plus any combination of other classes which together total at least 26 credits, making a solid B or above in all classes. I would take only three classes from that list, ENG W131, and the remaining 26 credits in the easiest liberal arts classes you can find. I would take freshman year, as a minimum to apply:</p>
<p>A100 – 37% out of 1900
X201 – 63% out of 727
M118 – 34% out of 3155 OR M119 – 30% out of 1863</p>
<p>I would save E201 for the summer at community college or take it sophomore year. Definitely take X104 Business Presentations also, as it is very easy to get a B or higher. After getting all solid B’s and higher, load up on some more Icore prerequisites like microeconomics, calculus or finite, and business law over the summer at a cc and transfer the credit to Kelley. I don’t know how many easy science and history classes you will find at IUB.</p>
<p>so say i take some joke classes besides the ones you need for kelley. Say I take spanish 101 with 4 years of spanish already, and a bunch of other joke classes that wouldn’t be that hard to get into kelley right? Then I know I can do well in calc cause I already will have calc, and how hard is the A100 class? Did you take it? Is it that bad?</p>
<p>^You’ll take a spanish placement test at Orientation, and since you’ve had 4 years you’ll probably test into S200 or S250 (3rd and 4th semester spanish) and you automatically get credit for the lower spanish classes (S105 and S150) so you can’t take intro spanish even if you test into a higher class. Unless you throw the placement test on purpose, I suppose.</p>
<p>A100 is rumored to be the hardest class in allof Kelley and everyone talks about it like it’s that class determines their fate. I actually did the work and studied, and I got an A+. I’m not even that smart.</p>
<p>And yeah try to take as many easy N&M and A&H classes in addition to the ICore-Prereqs. Anything in CMCL, FOLK, HPER should be easy.</p>
<p>so if i did
X201
A100
M118
And a bunch of easy fillers, it shouldn’t be hard right? I mean I’ll already have a knowledge of calc and the other class is easy and then I just have to work hard in the A100, that doesnt seem bad at all. Why do so many people get rejected?</p>
<p>If you are good at calculus, why are you not taking M119? Why do you want to take finite? You don’t need to take both your freshman year. If you take both of them freshman year, you double your risk of getting a bad grade and not getting into the business school. You should take the one that would be easiest for you to get a B or better in.</p>
<p>Re-read bthomp’s 05-06 post.</p>
<p>See this link: [Credit</a> Transfer Service: Admissions: Indiana University](<a href=“http://cts.admissions.indiana.edu/]Credit”>http://cts.admissions.indiana.edu/)
to see whether or not your local school offers an equivalent class that will transfer to IUB. It’s quite likely that ENG W131 will be listed.</p>
<p>As far as why you should take A100 during your freshman year, is that it is a prerequisite for the next 2 I-core required accounting classes that are usually taken in your sophomore year. </p>
<p>The Credit Transfer Service only shows one school for A100 that credit will automatically transfer from, and unless you are in Singapore, you are out of luck. : )</p>
<p>If you live near Indy, IUPUI offers A100, so you could possibly take it there this summer and get it out of the way early.</p>
<p>I see you are from MA. Getting behind would probably mean needing another semester or perhaps staying for a summer to graduate. At OOS prices, I know I’d want my child to avoid that, if possible.</p>
<p>I think you are making too big a deal out of A100. Is it hard? Most say yes, but they also say it can be done. I think it’s probably more tricky, than actually hard. You just need to think in a different sort of way, and use the practice exams extensively. There are also tutoring sessions available. It’s only an 8 week class, so you have to stay on top of it right from the very beginning.</p>
<p>Bthomp has given good advice in the past about ordering the book that IUPUI uses for the class and studying it over the summer, before classes start. Search through old posts to see what he/she is talking about.</p>
<p>isnt it possible to also take A100 at a CC and just transfer it in?
and is X220 available for freshmen students or only upperclassmen.</p>