<p>Im going to ND primarily because of Mendoza, I was just wondering how hard it would be to get into Mendoza in soph year. Thanks.</p>
<p>As far as I know it isn't. Granted I wasn't here for my first year but I am pretty sure you just pick your college.</p>
<p>you just choose it as your college.</p>
<p>Mendoza is only restricted for transfers. Any student at ND accepted out of high school can declare a major in Mendoza at the end their Freshman year. You apply to Notre Dame, not one of the university's colleges.</p>
<p>Non-transfers, what do you think of it being restricted for transfers? Personally I think it is BS, but I am just a little bit biased. It was open to anyone when I transferred and I think today's transfers should get the same opportunity.</p>
<p>C'mon,this is business, supply and demand. Build a bigger school if you have to!</p>
<p>IMO it makes perfect sense to let non transfers in. ND is a family, a community. The first year of liberal arts is extremly important to your education in thier eyes and maybe you need the ND expierence to do well in Mendoza.</p>
<p>I never liked the idea of transfering anyway.</p>
<p>to not* let</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure the reason they don't let people transfer into Mendoza is out of sheer practicality. Mendoza has a lot of requirements - read: almost your entire sophomore year is entirely scheduled. It would be very difficult to satisfy all requirements while taking the Mendoza classes unless your freshman classes elsewhere matched up nearly perfectly. Arts and Letters is very open and flexible, and engineering is rather specialized as soon as you enter it - in other words, not all that difficult to resolve any classes your lacking. </p>
<p>Kind of a bummer, but when you realize that it's almost as hard for a sophomore already at ND to transfer from A&L to Mendoza, it makes a little more sense.</p>
<p>UGHHH y does it have to be mendoza that's so hard to transfer into!! ...is there an econ major in liberal arts and business at ND? at u of illinois urbana you can major in econ in either school but the business one is more prestigious, the LA one is easier...</p>
<p>is econ in 2 spots for ND too?</p>
<p>Econ is only Arts and Letters. But I know plenty of people pull a double in Mendoza and Arts and Letters, with their primary major being in Mendoza (so you satisfy their requirements) and pick up an Econ Major in A&L. You only need to satisfy requirements for the college your primary major is in.</p>
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I'm pretty sure the reason they don't let people transfer into Mendoza is out of sheer practicality. Mendoza has a lot of requirements - read: almost your entire sophomore year is entirely scheduled. It would be very difficult to satisfy all requirements while taking the Mendoza classes unless your freshman classes elsewhere matched up nearly perfectly. Arts and Letters is very open and flexible, and engineering is rather specialized as soon as you enter it - in other words, not all that difficult to resolve any classes your lacking.</p>
<p>Kind of a bummer, but when you realize that it's almost as hard for a sophomore already at ND to transfer from A&L to Mendoza, it makes a little more sense.
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<p>I don't think it is this just because I have had many friends who have many friends who have transferred into Mendoza and were able to graduate in 4 years (I transferred back in the day when you could go in direct). I think it is just an enrollment problem, but I don't understand why we insist on not making business bigger, because we could. From what I can tell the hangup is that business isn't viewed as "academic" as some majors, and we are trying to seem as "academic" as we can to bump our US News peer assessment score up. That is just how I see it though.</p>
<p>Can you guys tell me exactly how good Mendoza is? I mean, its ranked very high but people seem to put it down.</p>
<p>The business school battle is one they've been debating within the ND administration for years. There are some who believe the College of Business Administration should be eliminated entirely, because they feel it is too much like a trade school in its practical application. There are others who believe the BA school is more important than ever, because it has a heavy emphasis on ethics throughout every course offered. I graduated from the college of business before it was called Mendoza--at least at that time, I can say that they really did bring up the ethical considerations in all the classes (except maybe stats). </p>
<p>The Mendoza college has its own alumni newsletter, and has, in recent issues talked about the dilemma of its success--that there are simply too many people who want to go into the business school, relative to the size of the university as a whole. The dean wrote that, rather than defeat the purpose of First Year of Studies by requiring that students come in committed to a college, they would limit the size by voluntary means. One specific decision stated by the dean in the article was the transfer students are not allowed to transfer into Mendoza--I guess the logic there is that transfer students do not enter as students in the First Year of Studies, and are already directly entering into a college. This isn't speculation, it's policy.</p>
<p>I think Mendoza ranks high academically, but the bigger appeal is the high demand for graduates in the job market. Particularly in a post-Enron world, corporations are not only interested in those with smarts and business savvy, but with a framework of ethics that will keep them from doing the types of things that will land them in the newspapers--and the courtrooms---down the road. </p>
<p>You do need more credit hours to graduate from Mendoza than, say, arts & letters. And they do make it convenient to be able to pick up a second major or concentration in a non-business major--encourage it, in fact.</p>
<p>Thanks for the info but as Irish stated above, its just a course that you pick so how can the college reject you from the program of studies? On my app i put business as an intended major of study.</p>
<p>they can't reject you from it as long as you enter nd as a freshman... they can only reject you from it if you transfer...</p>
<p>also what you put as your "intended major" on your app doesn't matter--everyone takes the first year studies program and picks their major after freshman year...</p>
<p>do they consider your "intended major" when selecting students to admit in an attempt to balance out their schools more so theyre not so mendoza-concentrated? i thought that might be the case so i selected engineering even though i was about 60-40 leaning towards business...</p>
<p>...It doesn't matter what major you choose on your app, the colleges know your're lying anyway to cheat the system. Besides, most people are in the college of arts and letters.</p>
<p>most people are in arts and letters? why do they cut off mendoza for transfers and not arts and letters?</p>
<p>Different requirements. Plus they don't want people just transfering in anyway, ND is supposed to be a family</p>
<p>A little bit off topic:</p>
<p>my jaw literally dropped to the floor</p>
<p>On topic:</p>
<p>I think it's great how we get to pick any major we want after one year of general studies. =)</p>
<p>Actually, it does matter what you state on your app, even though students aren't applying to a specific college for their first year. A classmate fairly high up on the administrative food chain said that they look at aptitude as it pertains to the desired field of study. </p>
<p>The example he used was a student who scored very high in one area of the ACT relative to another. If a student has a 28 on his math ACT and a 36 on his English, it makes a huge difference if he intended to major in an arts & letters major, as opposed to engineering.</p>