<p>she just takes a little bit of time each night so she doesnt have to spend like 6 hours doing everything.</p>
<p>thanks for the info man! im going to try applying for spring 2010 with 30~ credits and 12 in progress and from there ill decide if i go or not.</p>
<p>good luck!</p>
<p>“how many employers, advisers have you talked to?” -I talked to many, I talked to retirees, managers, CPAs, CFOs, firms, and some of them have AA/AS themselves. Please don’t question my qualifications to answer this question because you do not know me.</p>
<p>“A lot of the class are based strictly on test. other have like quizzes and what they call clicker questions (which are like questions they ask the whole class and you push a button on your “clicker” to select your answers. But the overall learn environment is a lot more intriguing than CC.” -Yea, your description of the majority of Rutgers classes sounds a lot better than a CC class. I mean, small classes in CCs allow for many class discussions, participation, no TAs, and more writing compare to multiple choice tests/quizzes. </p>
<p>Lastly, I am transfering to Rutgers this fall and it only took me 2 years to get my AS. Further, I received my evaluation packet yesterday and Rutgers already took 48 of my credits, and that is not including this semester (spring 09) which will give me more than 60. Thus, transfering credits can be very smooth. </p>
<p>But if someone truly believe that an AA will make them look bad, then they can just leave it out their resume and only disclose their BA.</p>
<p>Retirees… People with AA/AS… the world has changed A LOT in the past 10 years. so how valid of a source could a retiree be? And people that have been in there careers for years and had an AA/AS were highly regarded than they are today. For instance, my father has an AA in computer science. Back in the early 90s that was a lot different than what it means now. He has made over $100k since then but hasn’t been able to move up since many more people have been receiving 4-year college degrees and beyond. Another example of how careers and jobs have been changing are a cops. As a cop you use to be able to drop out of high school and become a cop. Now, many departments require that you at least have a 4-year college degree. So the world has changed enormously since people that are retired got their jobs and people that have been in their positions for a long time. So i don’t think those people are necessarily valid sources anymore.</p>
<p>I’ve described CC classes and how successful you will be at a 4-year college if you needed them. With such a negative mindset about a university I don’t think you will adapt or do well. At least you’ll have your AA, right? </p>
<p>Furthermore, congrats on graduating from a 2-year college in 2 years… Rutgers may take all of your credits, but not all of those credits are going to fall into your major. Many of those credit are going to fall into elective credits. Like if you took a computer class, a health class-these are usually required in order to get a degree at a CC- they do not transfer for anything except electives. Which basically go no where. When you look at where your credits finally go and what is required for your degree you will see that you will not finish your degree in 2 years. </p>
<p>In regards to this statement, “But if someone truly believe that an AA will make them look bad, then they can just leave it out their resume and only disclose their BA.” It would be kind of hard to only disclose your BA since most employers that require a BA want to also see your transcript. It is not just the paper that gets you jobs its also the grades. I wish I could get straight C’s and get my diploma and be just as qualified for a posistion as someone who got straight A’s.</p>
<p>I’m not saying that its going to be impossible for people that have an AA and then get a BA to get a job, I’m just saying that if they go head-to-head with someone that just got a BA and possesses a similar skill set that more often than not they are not going to get the job. And how does getting an AA show "that you have perseverance, motivation, and adaptability yadda yadda… " Its a lot easier to get into colleges once you have a AA than it is to get into them out of high school. All you need is a 3.0 to transfer to Rutgers with an AA and you are pretty much in. How many people out of high school that had a 3.0 got in? Probably a very small percentage.</p>
<p>Since when did Rutgers start evaluating your credits before your final transcript is in? Sounds like a waste of time to me. Why would you evaluate someones credits then had to do it again and send them another evaluation packet. From what I have learned about Rutgers is that they don’t like to waste time. So I don’t believe they would send you evaluation of your credits before they have even seen your final transcript. If this is true where is my credit evaluation?</p>
<p>You chose to refute my retiree source and voided all my other sources…that’s very challenging. Managers, CPAs, CFOs, and firms are not valid sources? So are only employers and advisers valid sources?? Advisers don’t do the hiring and firms are employers, and most managers are involved in the hiring process. As someone that knows many people that graduated CC these past recent years, I can tell you that many of them are now cops with only an AA in addition to the police academy. </p>
<p>I don’t have a negative mindset on a four year University, I am just being honest with myself and so should you. How can a large seminar style classroom beat a small personalized classroom? Isn’t that the #1 complaint, that classrooms are too large and people are not close to instructors as they liked to be. Tell me why I can still remember calculus from taking class at CC and many people forgot all of calculus once they done took it at Rutgers? Tell me why some people at Rutgers never attend class but only on midterms and finals and are still passing? </p>
<p>The majority of my credits are going toward my SAS requirement. In fact, I will not have to take a single lower level course at SAS at all. All you had to do was a little research to find what courses at your CC were equivalent to Rutgers and you would had no problem. Sure health classes and some other classes needed for an AA are unquestionably not transferable, but it’s a very small price to pay, nothing worth complaining about when you are saving lots of money. </p>
<p>Rutgers always evaluated credits before final transcript are in. But apparently, you don’t like doing research so you would not know, and then you make up your own reasoning, and you accused me of being bogus? Maybe when you receive your credit evaluation soon in the mail, you will be more humble.</p>
<p>sorry to get into this heated debate but uh</p>
<p>I haven’t taken pre-cal. Do they offer pre-cal at rutgers? I’m probably going to take it at a cc over the summer, just curious</p>
<p>Im going to get my AS degree from Bergen in 2 months and I believe getting an associates then a bachelors is equal to a 4 year bachelors. </p>
<p>I’ve known people who start off at a CC and then go on to get their PhDs. Do you think that CC blemished their resume? I know it’s an extreme analogy but its all where you end your education not where it began. It’s like applying for a job and telling them you went to the best high school in the nation. It doesn’t matter.</p>
<p>kk240dc, I will enroll at Rutgers with my AS degree and a 3.24 GPA this fall. I strongly believe that it’s much easier to get in if you got an associates rather than just transferring with 12-20 credits.</p>
<p>yeah Rutgers offers pre-calculus</p>
<p>Magent, what campus? NB or newark? also,what school? SAS? Business?</p>
<p>NB SAS then hopefully to NB RBS</p>
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You just destroyed your own argument with this statement. Complete an A.A. or A.S. and Rutgers by law has to accept all your credits. It is both better and cheaper to go to CC before Rutgers. Classes are smaller, easier, and again cheaper. The latter is becoming of increasingly importance.</p>
<p>You earlier cited a statistic about how much longer it takes those with Associate’s degrees to graduate as opposed to those who begin at universities as freshmen, but dismissed or forgot to mention how older, working people usually decide to continue their studies at CC’s. Older = full-time job = part-time studies. I should point out Rutgers is also so stupid they suggest you take 4 courses a semester, forgetting you have to take 5 a semester to graduate (ON TIME). </p>
<p>Rarely listen to Rutgers.</p>
<p>The transferring thing has definately been worrying me. For my major of engineering, only about half of the classes I am taking at CC for the AS degree transfer. I’m hearing 5 or 6 years for a BA in engineering. I used to think maybe it was just my iffy major, but it’s crazy if everyone else is in this situation too!</p>
<p>Scorpioserpent, your majoring in engineering and only about half of the classes transfers huh? So Chem 1 & 2, Physics 3 & 4, Calc 1 & 2, differential equation, statics, dynamics, computer aided, expository writing, economics, and some others I can’t remember won’t transfer??? I named more than half of the engineering curriculum and those classes are almost always transferable to Rutgers no matter what CC u took them at.</p>
<p>um could you guys help me more about the OP and less on the side discussion? sorry but i need more opinions. thanks!</p>