<p>@informative: I would prefer to have a low-paying, yet rewarding job (i.e. teaching, innovating, etc.). I’d like to know who has a greater positive impact on more people: a hedge-fund manager, or a great high school teacher. Furthermore, people who implement novel ideas (i.e. create startups, build Google, advance learning in some direction) are far more valuable, in my eyes, than a mere millionaire who gained his millions in a “traditional” way, like trading in land. It’s not that these millionaires are bad, but I feel like it’s far more important to help humanity than to make money. And Bill Gates (who never graduated), the founders of google (who skipped out of Stanford’s grad program), my high school chem teacher (who could have taught any subject exceptionally well) have a bigger impact on people than one Wall Street investor.</p>
<p>America is a true capitalistic society. Capitalists believe in private enterprises and are always suspicious of public entities. They invest big money to private entities including private univiersities. Unless America becomes socialist like some countries in Europe and Asia where public universities rein, private universities will alway be on top in America.</p>
<p>“They are the schools putting education on the table to the majority of this country. Heck, they even supply hundreds of thousands (if not more) Americans with steady jobs (ex: Ohio State is the leading employer in Ohio, by far).”</p>
<p>If you really went to an Ivy League school, it seems that you didn’t get the point of your education at all. Ivies are the institutions that add the most value to this world. A smart person add more value to this world than a not-so-smart person, and Ivies are great because they have the highest concentration of smart people, making them factories of potential. One of the reasons that most of the innovations in the world today emerge in the US is precisely because Ivy League institution is shaping individuals who can create those very few innovations that bring the world into new levels of efficiency and productivity. Those Ivies + Stanford + MIT, etc. can do that because they attract the brightest of the best students and instill in them the idea that it takes one person to think & innovate & establish and one hundred to follow the established procedure. You can follow a set of rules and apply minor discretion here and there even without a college degree, but you need the IQ & creativity & confidence (which many students at Ivies have) to work the system to establish your idea and add value. State schools have an obligation to educate the general public, while elite privates don’t. Granted, some smart people choose to attend state schools for various reasons for undergrad, but most don’t, and ones who do invariably end up at elite private schools for grad school or at elite public research universities (for which Usnews’ ranking for undergrad doesn’t apply) for grad school.</p>
<p>I’m old enough to remember when US News & World Report was a magazine.</p>
<p>^^oh brother! (@IvyPBear)</p>
<p>Post #22: “America is a true capitalistic society. Capitalists believe in private enterprises and are always suspicious of public entities. They invest big money to private entities including private universities.”</p>
<p>First, America is not a true capitalistic society. The banksters would not have survived without a public bailout. They continue to survive only because they are able to manipulate extra-market factors such as political contributions, etc.and could not continue to operate as they have if the playing field was level.</p>
<p>Second, the private universities in which you believe benefit in innumerable ways from direct and indirect public financial support, from tax benefits on their investments, student loans, research funding, funding for language/area studies and other special programs, etc. Even when the land-grant legislation was passed by Congress in 1862, some so-called private universities received the proceeds from their states’ land-grants. So let’s not pretend that private universities are entirely private enterprises.</p>
<p>Post #23: “Ivies are the institutions that add the most value to this world…”</p>
<p>Yeah, like those Ivy grads that caused the financial meltdown.</p>
<p>If you cannot teach money to flow into the best projects (balancing the risks, value added, etc.) by itself, then shut up and stop complaining about the people do work necessary for ideas to develop into valuable products and services. Everyone makes mistakes. If bankers and other financial institutions suddenly disappear, the society would be thrown back into the stone age. There would be no google, no collegeconfidential. When people who have great ideas would have to dig up their own savings and beg relatives for money, how many of the ideas would survive? How many life-changing ideas would never make it out of their nascent stages?</p>
<p>i lost respect for US News years ago when they spent weeks giving coverage to Paris Hilton.</p>
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Please don’t forget that our public sectors are for the most part run by the capitalists too. The bailout was engineered, you kow who, Henry Paulson, former Chairman of Goodman Sachs, one of the biggest capitalists. When I say we are a true capitalistic society, I also mean the capitalistic culture is entreched in America. It doesn’t matter which sector you are in, people believe in the capitalistic value.</p>
<p>Granted, some smart people choose to attend state schools for various reasons for undergrad, but most don’t, and ones who do invariably end up at elite private schools for grad school or at elite public research universities (for which Usnews’ ranking for undergrad doesn’t apply) for grad school. </p>
<p>What a crock! However, if I lived in the northeast where most of the public universities are middling, I suppose I’d feel the same way.</p>
<p>Best Colleges Specialty Rankings:
Best Undergraduate Business Programs</p>
<p>Ranked in 2010</p>
<p>1 University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA 4.8
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cambridge, MA 4.6
3 University of California–Berkeley Berkeley, CA 4.5
4 University of Michigan–Ann Arbor Ann Arbor, MI 4.4
5 New York University New York, NY 4.2
University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 4.2
7 Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 4.1
University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill Chapel Hill, NC 4.1
University of Texas–Austin Austin, TX 4.1
10 Cornell University Ithaca, NY 4.0
Indiana University–Bloomington Bloomington, IN 4.0
University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA 4.0 </p>
<h2>Source: [Best</a> Undergraduate Business Programs - Best Colleges - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-business]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-business)</h2>
<p>I see only 2 Ivies in the Top-10…</p>
<p>Ohio State (Fischer) comes in at #14.</p>
<p>^^^Most Ivies and other top privates don’t offer undergrad business programs.</p>
<p>^^Most Ivies and other top privates don’t offer undergrad business programs. </p>
<p>How about those do? Are they all ranked ahead of tOSU at the undergrad level I wonder? </p>
<p>I don’t have the full list…</p>
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<p>Methodology: The Best Undergraduate Business Programs
Posted August 17, 2010</p>
<p>For our undergraduate business school rankings, U.S. News surveyed deans and senior faculty at each undergraduate business program accredited by the Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB). Business school deans and faculty (two at each AACSB-accredited business program) were surveyed for this ranking in spring 2010.</p>
<p>Participants were asked to rate the quality of all programs they were familiar with on a scale of 1 (marginal) to 5 (distinguished). The undergraduate business school rankings are based solely on the results of this peer survey; 42 percent of those surveyed responded. We also asked for nominations of the best programs in business specialty areas; those receiving the most mentions in each area appear here ranked in descending order. The rankings of the best undergraduate business programs in a specialty area also are based solely on the spring 2010 peer survey. Schools offering any courses in a specialty are eligible to be ranked in that specialty. Schools did not have to have a program or major in a specialty area in order to be ranked in that specific specialty area.</p>
<p>Source: <a href=“http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-colleges/2010/08/17/methodology-the-best-undergraduate-business-programs.html[/url]”>http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-colleges/2010/08/17/methodology-the-best-undergraduate-business-programs.html</a></p>
<p>Undergraduate Program</p>
<p>U.S News and World Report 2011</p>
<p>14th overall, 7th among public universities
6th Supply Chain Management and Logistics
6th Production and Operations Management
11th Finance
13th Marketing
14th Accounting
16th Management </p>
<p>Public Accounting Report 2008
6th in the nation </p>
<p>Full-Time MBA Program
U.S. News and World Report 2011 </p>
<p>21st overall, 6th among public universities
8th Supply Chain Management and Logistics
10th Production and Operations
17th Accounting
23rd Finance </p>
<p>Wall Street Journal 2007
3rd nationally among schools with strong regional recruiting bases </p>
<p>Economist Intelligence Unit 2008 </p>
<p>43rd worldwide, 24th in the United States, 7th among public business schools
11th in number of jobs secured three months after graduation
12th in increase of salary after graduation
17th in education experience </p>
<p>Working Professional MBA Program
U.S. News & World Report 2011
10th in the nation </p>
<p>BusinessWeek 2009
20th in the nation </p>
<p>Executive MBA Program
BusinessWeek 2009
15th worldwide </p>
<p>Wall Street Journal 2008
21st worldwide
3rd Return on Investment </p>
<p>Master of Accounting Program
U.S. News & World Report 2010
12th in the nation, 5th among public universities </p>
<p>Public Accounting Report 2009
9th in the nation, 6th among public universities </p>
<p>Source: [Fisher</a> College of Business | The Ohio State University](<a href=“http://fisher.osu.edu/]Fisher”>http://fisher.osu.edu/)</p>
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<p>Sorry to go off the topic a bit, I was intrigued since I wasn’t sure if tOSU Business School is as bare as “Informative” described, and that I actually know quite a bit upper management OSU alumni both here in downtown Chicago and NYC Chapters.<br>
Anyway, It’s all cool. :)</p>
<p>Sparkeye: Did you know that the Fisher (not Fischer) School at tOSU was named for graduate and well known Detroit philanthropist the late Max Fisher? His nephew, who attended The University of Michigan courtesy of his uncle’s generosity in paying for his education, is Stephen Ross. The Ross School at Michigan was renamed for him after his 100,000,000.00 contribution to the program.</p>
<p>Hahaha that’s very interesting. But, while I do have an affinity for Ohio State, I’m not talking specifically about them; I’m talking publics in general. Even Michigan…</p>
<p>Post #30: “Please don’t forget that our public sectors are for the most part run by the capitalists too. The bailout was engineered, you kow who, Henry Paulson, former Chairman of Goodman Sachs, one of the biggest capitalists.”</p>
<p>And, the bailout did interfere with the “market forces” for the advantage of a small group, did it not?</p>
<p>So, what does that make it? An oligarghy?</p>
<p>I think we’re getting a bit off-track, eh?
This isn’t an argument over capitalism or oligarchies, it’s about rankings of public schools and the possibility that they’re unfairly penalized.</p>
<p>You’re right, it’s off track—nothing unusual on CC, of course.</p>