Maybe this is a state-by-state thing, but how is there any fraud involved in attending a community college without a high school degree? In CA, anyone can take classes at a CC if they have finished 8th grade, and there is a petition process for younger students. If they are enrolled in high school, dual enrollment is often mostly free. There is some process for homeschoolers to take dual enrollment classes free, also. But, there is no requirement that an 18-year-old needs to have a high school diploma or a GED.
How Is Getting Into College/Universities Using A Homeschooling Diploma and Transcript Honestly Fair?
@mdcmom and @W2BeHome: I read both of your stories fully, but apparently neither of you read my replies so I’ll quote one of them: “If someone started off at CC first, they wouldn’t necessarily need the SAT or ACT (once they graduated) if they wanted to attend University later. But, they could still pretend to be a homeschooled student, and so skip taking the GED or make up a transcript, which would be committing fraud if they hadn’t graduated Highschool.”
@Ynotgo: My point was that in the case of using home printed transcripts: “On the other hand (it just occurred to me), people who didn’t graduate highschool and start attending a CC will usually have to take the GED to be able to go on to University…The GED can have a really negative stigma attached to it…Why should those people be forced to have to use the GED to go to University, when someone could very easily lie just say that they have a homeschool diploma and transcripts?”
True, Ynotgo. I hadn’t yet finished high school when I took my community college courses. I just signed up and paid my mother’s $$.
Maybe also a state-by-state thing, but for transfer from a community college in CA to a UC, there is no requirement I can find that one have a HS diploma or GED. What matters is what courses you took in CC and your grades in those.
@Tsunadeprimroses, Citing HSLDA isn’t the same as citing state law. State laws are passed by individual state legislatures. When you find a relevant law, cite it, and I’ll be happy to comment on it.
@TsunadePrimroses - I’m not sure how your quote applies to what I said. I didn’t mention CC at all.
Sorry for not reading all of your replies. I’ve done my best to scan the responses in the time that I have. Not only am I a homeschooling parent, I happen to be a busy one (it kind of goes with the territory).
The bottom line is that your question is “How is that fair?” I’m sorry that you feel cheated in some way by what you apparently see as a loophole in the system. But, before you go too far raising red flags trying to bring such things to people’s attention, just take a step back and think of the opportunities and freedom you could squelch if your what is unfair to some becomes a thing of the past to others who are following the rules. We are hindered by so many rules, restrictions, and regulations as it is. I’m not arguing against all of these, but seriously, can we just let people live their lives already?
Now I need to get back to cleaning out my school room closet. As of this summer, I’ll be a “retired” homeschool teacher!!
@Ynotgo Yes, many Universities require that the applicant have the GED or diploma…I’ve heard Cali can be very lax about that though, especially since they have free CCs over there (I think so?). Most states aren’t like that.
@austinmshauri: You asked me: “Please cite the state regulations that allow that. In NYS, colleges can’t confer degrees unless students show successful completion of high school equivalency. How many state homeschool regulations have you actually checked?”
The HSLDA map I linked to shows that many states don’t have strict homeschooling laws or even require homeschoolers to notify them of anything. And many kids and parents posting on here have said that the colleges never asked for any proof of the homeschooling.
@We2BeHome: My point, was that someone could very easily lie on home printed transcripts if they wanted to. They could pretend to be homeschooled and commit fraud. Actually, like I’ve mentioned before, I think that if someone did manage to do that…it’d honestly be fairly ingenious.
Nobody in our state needs to take the ACT or SAT EVER to attend one of our community colleges. Graduates of our cc system can transfer directly to one of our 4-year colleges without EVER taking the ACT or SAT, and it doesn’t matter where they went to high school. They could have attended a public school, private school, been homeschooled, or taken the TASC. That rule is the same for everybody.
Why would they need to pretend to be homeschooled? Students who have a degree from one of our cc’s DON’T NEED the TASC, a high school transcript, or the ACT/SAT to transfer to our 4-year schools. AT ALL. So your theoretical situation would never exist.
OP, have you ever sent a kid to community college? You seem to have no conception of how it actually works.
Thanks for the reinforcements, fellow home schoolers! Sorry about opening this can of worms, I should have not responded and just let the thread die a natural death.
@austinmshauri: I’m not sure if you’re being serious, because you just totally agreed with me. Everything that you wrote is exactly what I’ve been saying. I realize that students transferring from a CC don’t need to take those tests…But if they want to go on to University, then they’ll have to show some form of highschool equivalence, which would be the standard diploma, GED, or lying about a homeschooling diploma/transcript.
@albert69: What do you think I’ve gotten wrong? I’m aware of the fact that CCs don’t need their students to take the ACT or SAT. I’ve said that a dozen times by now. That was my point; that’s why It would be so easy to commit fraud.
Actually, they don’t. Not in my state at least. After enough cc credits, the student becomes a transfer student, and they only need the cc transcript. No need to lie about anything.
You are still missing the point about placement tests.
@albert69: They don’t need to show highschool equivalence to attend Uni? I could see that being true for a few states, but not the majority…Anyway, anyone could pass a placement test…That’s the entire point of the placement test, after all.
Not to attend, they don’t. All they need is a C or better in all their classes and to have 24+ units.
Placement exams aren’t a pass/fail thing. You do as well as you can and depending on your score, you know what level of classes you start with, regardless of what any paper from your computer says. Your “transcript” can say you’ve done vector calculus, but if you can’t pass the college algebra part of the test, than that’s where you’ll go.
OP, why do you care if someone actually does fabricate a homeschool transcript?
@suzy100 Why? Because that’s fraud and cheating…If you heard about a public school fabricating their students transcripts and tests (like the Atlanta schools), would you not say anything about that? And: “On the other hand (it just occurred to me), people who didn’t graduate highschool and start attending a CC will usually have to take the GED to be able to go on to University…The GED can have a really negative stigma attached to it…Why should those people be forced to have to use the GED to go to University, when someone could very easily lie just say that they have a homeschool diploma and transcripts?”
@suzy100 It might steal OP’s kid’s spot at the community college… 
@albert69 That may be true in some states but not in quite a few others. Also, if you heard about a public school fabricating anything, you would just not say anything? You’ve already mentioned the Georgia schools, so I doubt it.