Looking up my public high school graduation rate (this info is online from our state) I find that the rate is 91% and 78% of those go on to some sort of post high school education. Yet also found online is that 42% who went on to college needed remediation in math and/or reading before being ready for college level classes in those subjects.
Whose transcript is suspect again?
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I read some, but not every single post in this thread, so I’m sorry if anything in this post has been stated by other posters.
The point of may posters have tried to make is that there is very little gain by faking a highschool transcript. For a student applying to a 4 year univ, the highschool transcript is but just a small part of the application. There are other factors that are impossible or very difficult to fake. No univ. accepts a candidate based on highschool transcript alone. For homeschoolers, I’m sure the ad com is even more diligent in making sure the candidate is up to snuff. The school doesn’t ask for confirmation/verification doesn’t mean the ad com puts total trust in the highschool transcript.
You kept bringing up community college. At least in California, if you’re +18 yrs old, the community college has to accept you, NOTHING is required, no transcript, no diploma, no test score. There is no point faking a highschool transcript for community college because it’s worth nothing.
Case in point: I didn’t have highschool transcript nor highschool diploma. I attended a community college in CA, got a 4.0 GPA, then applied as a transfer to UC. I was accepted every UC I applied to. I had proved that I could handle college, why would a highschool transcript matter? The UC and CSU systems don’t see any problem with accepting a transfer student without highschool transcript. I don’t see any problem either (just FYI, I graduated BSEE with 3.9 GPA).
My daughter was homeschooled. When she applied to college, besides the transcript we created, she also proved herself by 7 AP testscores of 5, an SAT score of 2360 (one seating), 3 SAT-2 scores of 790 - 800, National Merit Scholarship Finalist, and 27 university semester credits. I’m sure the schools accepting her would accept her with or without the highschool transcript.
I’m not saying people don’t lie. People lie about a lot of things: overspeeding, asking someone to write the essays in the applications, … Heck, when I was a poor student going to community college, someone offered me money to attend classes for them (I didn’t, not because I was good, but because I was taking too many classes for myself already). The point many posters and I are trying to make is: there is very little gain by faking a highschool transcript, why getting hung up on it?
Another point: a genuine highschool transcript doesn’t mean the student is ready for college. One of my nephews graduated from highschool last year. The boy doesn’t even have the knowledge of my daughter when she was an 8-grader.
Wow. Another homeschool parent here, just read this entire discussion at one sitting. I don’t really have anything to add on top of the masterful job that @albert69 and others have done in responding on this bizarre thread, but have been wondering why on earth @TsunadePrimroses is so exercised about this hypothetical fraud problem. But maybe the answer is hiding in plain sight; as she says repeatedly, she (almost) wishes she’d done it herself. Is that it, that you’re ticked off that someone else may have availed themselves of the opportunity while you didn’t? What does it say about your own integrity that you’re (almost) wishing you’d committed a spectacular fraud?
All of the recent comments were are really, really funny to read. But I wanted to repeat again @Pentaprism that I’ve heard that Cali can be very lax about those standards, but most states aren’t. Like in my state of Georgia; a GED or Diploma is actually required for even CC, unless you apply as a homeschooler, in which case you can submit a portfolio/transcript and test scores.
OK, whatever, but California does have about 1 out of every 8.25 kids graduating from high school in the country. So, you can’t exactly write it off as “just one state.”
If someone, with or without highschool diploma, can somehow “sneak” into a community college, takes 60 semester units with a GPA good enough to be accepted as a transfer to a 4-year university, I don’t see any problem with that. Having done so myself, I for sure wouldn’t call that “effortless.” I actually put my life on hold during that period. [-X
The State of CA doesn’t have any problem with that, and its UC system is consistently ranked top of the nation (some top of the world), I think they must have been doing something right.
@TsunadePrimroses, I was initially annoyed at your attitude. Now I’m no longer annoyed. I think your attitude is actually funny =))
I have to finish finals at this community college, which is such an EFFORTLESS (LOL) experience, then I’m going to do something. I’m going to look up entrance requirements for a community college in each and every state and see how many a student can get into without any form of high school equivalence. Anyone want to bet on how many I find that meet that requirement?
While you’re at it, Albert, please do this research:
For the states that don’t require highschool diploma/transcript to enter a community college, how many people take the “effortless” venture of going to community college, then earning enough credits to go on to a 4-year university. We can safely assume that noone fakes homeschool transcript in these states. It just doesn’t make sense.
Do the same for the states that require highschool diploma/transcript. According to the OP, there are many people who cheat in these states “because it would be so easy to do!”
Now compare the two. Anyone want to bet that the numbers are NOT comparable?
@Pentaprism I will look for that info to, but the issue for OP isn’t that people do or don’t do it - it’s if it’s “possible” in her strange little world.
Okay, so here’s some of the list of states that have community colleges that someone can get into without having a high school diploma and transcripts, GED, public schooled, home schooled, or otherwise:
Alabama
http://www.cacc.edu/index.php?src=gendocs&ref=Admissions%20Applications&category=Admissions
Can attend without graduating high school or getting a GED (see the Application for Admission) as long as the person or their guardian has lived in Alabama for 12 months.
Alaska
http://pwscc.edu/admissions/
Anyone can attend if they are 18.
Arizona
http://www.mesacc.edu/admissions-records/become-student-mcc
Once again, they just have to be 18 and show some “evidence of potential success in the community college.”
Arkansas
http://www.southark.edu/index.php/home-admissions
Can attend without graduating high school, just need to get certain scores on placement exams. Note that home schoolers only get “conditional” admission - they do not treat their transcripts the same as public schooled ones.
California
http://www.solano.edu/ar/apply.php
Once again, 18 years old and you’re good.
Colorado
http://www.arapahoe.edu/admissions
Open admissions to anyone 17 years old.
Connecticut
Could not find a cc that didn’t require a GED or high school graduation.
Delaware
Couldn’t find one that didn’t require a GED or high school graduation.
Florida
No luck.
Georgia
http://www.atlantatech.edu/admissions/new-students.php
Look at the application pdf - there is an option for not having graduated. It also looks like home schoolers need more than just a transcript.
Hawaii
http://hawaii.hawaii.edu/future-students/how-to-apply.php
Open for those 18+.
Idaho
http://www.nic.edu/admissions/stepsNewStudent.aspx
Unsure - it seems that they do require transcripts or GED, but the application does have options for not having graduated.
Illinois
https://oakton.edu/admission/applying/index.php
Looks like you don’t need to have graduated if you are 18+.
Indiana
http://www.ivytech.edu/assessment/
http://www.ivytech.edu/apply-now/
It looks like you don’t need to have graduated high school from the application and the assessment options.
Iowa
http://www.nwicc.edu/prospective-students/admissions/checklist.aspx
It looks like as long as you don’t go for a degree program, transcripts or a GED are not required. So someone could just come in and take a bunch of classes, not toward any specific degree, then transfer without ever going to high school.
Kansas
http://www.hutchcc.edu/catalog/admission-overall
Someone who has not graduated high school could be admitted as an “Ability to Benefit” student. Home schools have to registered with the State of Kansas to be considered.
Kentucky
http://www.henderson.kctcs.edu/admissions/
http://somerset.kctcs.edu/en/Admissions/Admissions_Guidelines.aspx
At two different cc’s, it looks like there are options for students who have not graduated, and if they don’t try for a specific degree program in the 2nd one, then they don’t need a GED or diploma.
Louisiana
http://www.rpcc.edu/admissionApplying.cfm#freshman
Someone 18+ who has not graduated can get admitted through placement testing.
I’m not certain on Connecticut, Delaware, and Florida yet - I have to look up some more things on those and of course the rest of the states. But just to give everybody an idea…
Tsunade might have thought my post was funny to read, but s/he never addressed my question/thought wondering why public school transcripts aren’t also looked at suspiciously considering how many need remedial classes afterward.
@albert69 I actually really like your posts. You put a lot of effort into researching everything!
Thanks, the rest of the list is coming, I’m just busy right now. I’ll get back to it 
@albert69 I’ll admit that my idea may not always be true for community colleges then, thanks to your researching skillz. Since you’re looking up so much anyway…Have you found any information on my original idea, that someone could pretend to be a homeschooler to get into Uni without a legitimate diploma or transcripts as a freshman?
@albert69 I’ve been really busy for the past few days, so I actually just read through the links that you listed for the first time. Almost every one of the colleges you list gives the first option for admissions, to be that the applicants have a highschool diploma or GED. Otherwise the secondhand option is called an open-door admissions policy. So you’re right that some students would be admitted by not having to provide a diploma or transcript, but the preference from the CCs IS for the applicants to have one or both.
Also, I know it’s completely impossible to compare all colleges, but like I said before I actually live in Georgia, and I could easily give you a list of CCs that require the GED or diploma for admissions, unless you’re willing to apply as a homeschooler. So, the colleges you listed that have open door admissions don’t necessarily speak for the standards of the whole states, just those specific colleges.
But like I said before, you have pretty good debating skillz lol. I want to see your response!
Is this really keeping you up at night? Can you not think of other pressing issues to rant about? Homeschoolers often submit work samples, detailed textbook lists, course descriptions, MOOC verified certificates, CLEP tests, tutor and outside teacher evaluations and recommendations. It takes a lot of work and I imagine it would take a lot of work to create some type of forgery. This is just not happening. School grades can be subjective and inflated. Interesting that so many colleges are complaining that kids coming out of our public schools are not prepared for college work. Meanwhile, homeschoolers do well in college. They are often self-directed and genuinely interested in learning–not just to get a grade. So, relax and move on. Meanwhile, I need to go help my daughter with her honest college applications.
Sounds like you have a scheming mind.
This thread is three months old. They have already relaxed and moved on.
Homeschoolers can get an accredited transcript from an organization like www.bridgewayacademy.com