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<p>No no no, we are not subscribing to wikiality on CC.com. Not under my watch. No.</p>
<p>Oh geez, ditto. Nix the wikibattling idea!!!</p>
<p>23-9</p>
<p>i've been waiting for so long just to post that confirmation.</p>
<p>now CA2006 is going to leave some crackpot comment about berkeley's still being "academically superior"</p>
<p>hope you're not a sore loser..</p>
<p>ps. another famous alumni you forgot to mention was will ferrell, who was at the game. maybe that's why we won? or perhaps it was the fact that your players don't notice when they're down and keep trying for touchdowns.</p>
<p>Amen.</p>
<p>Football: Scoreboard baby.</p>
<p>Academics: SAT baby.</p>
<p>Geisha Girl, I'm not a sore loser at all. I would have chosen USC if all that mattered was football.
And by the way, my SAT goes up 60 points if I pick and choose from various sittings the way USC does... it's almost like cheating to report it that way don't you think?
Hey, see you at the Rose Bowl! Now YOU don't be a sore loser... second rate school and no National Championship game either! :)</p>
<p>Geisha - It's ok, some of those from other schools (no names mentioned) deep down are envious of USC. (why else would they spend their spare time reading and posting in USC threads). They enjoy going to schools where the classes are taught by TAs and Grad Students. At USC, Trojans are taught by full Professers. </p>
<p>Yes, at USC, the athletics programs are excellent (as conceded by one of the competitor's trollers). However, Trojans spend even more time in academics as evidenced by the 2nd place finish by USC (behind Cal Tech) at the 2006 Association for Computing Machinery Programming Contest. The USC Trojan team, made up of Morgan Brown '08, doctoral candidate Kenny Daniel, and Dan Birken '07, scored second out of 70 teams from all over the region, behind only a team from Caltech. </p>
<p>I believe that programming excellence falls into the academic category. Oops, guess I don't see any of those UC schools at the top of this academic category. I think their students spend more time trolling, then studying.</p>
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<p>You guys are delusionally misinformed. All the lectures at Cal are taught by professors. GSIs lead the discussions. Maybe you're ONE Nobel Laureate can compensate for that discrepancy?</p>
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<p>Maybe you'd best check your spelling before posting. :) I can't believe people are still posting in this thread.</p>
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<p>I hope you're not referring to me because of my one silly thread...</p>
<p>Isn't it fun - to realize that students from other colleges just can't get enough of USC threads. I have to wonder if they even come to USC during the day, to observe. Maybe they even sit in on lectures. They surely attend USC Football games. </p>
<p>I would venture to guess that USC Trojans are so not envious of UC campuses, and that USC Trojans do not spend time in the threads of other campuses. What does that tell us about those students from other schools, that they have so much time, and get so much pleasure in the threads of USC. I think that they call that USC Envy.</p>
<p>UCLAri - No, none of my comments are directed at you. You quickly showed your neutrality, and your interest in maintaining friendships here in the USC threads. You are to be commended.</p>
<p>Suppose that we could compare CAL and USC, and the Crime Statistics:</p>
<p>(don't think I would want to be on the streets, or campus at CAL).</p>
<p>UC Berkeley 2005 PART I OFFENSES 2005
NUMBER OF
ACTUAL OFFENSES
Forcible Rape<br>
Rape by Force 2
Attempts to Commit Forcible Rape 1
TOTAL (FORCIBLE RAPE) 3
Robbery<br>
Firearm 5
Knife or Cutting Instrument 1
Other Dangerous Weapon 0
Strong - Arm 9
TOTAL (ROBBERY) 15
Assault<br>
Firearm 0
Knife or Cutting Instrument 2
Other Dangerous Weapon 2
Hands, Fists, Feet, etc... 3
Other Assault - Simple 73
TOTAL (ASSAULT) 80
Part 1 Violent Crime Subtotal 98
Burglary<br>
Forcible Entry 28
Unlawful Entry - No Force 38
Attempted Forcible Entry 8
TOTAL (BURGLARY) 74
Larceny -Theft<br>
TOTAL (LARCENY - THEFT) 771
Motor Vehicle Theft<br>
Autos 5
Trucks and Buses 8
Other Vehicles 11
TOTAL (MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT) 24
Arson<br>
TOTAL (ARSON) 4
Part I Property Crime Subtotal 873
GRAND TOTAL (PART I): 971
2005 PART II OFFENSES 2005
NUMBER OF
ACTUAL OFFENSES
Forgery & Counterfeiting 17
Fraud 8
Embezzlement 0
Stolen Property; B, R, P 9
Vandalism 179
Weapons Offenses - All Others 13
Total (Weapons Offenses) 13
Sex Offenses 8
Drug Abuse Violations 108
Gambling 0
DUI (Alcohol & Drugs) ** 22
Liquor Laws 4
Drunkenness 88
Disorderly Conduct 21
All Other Offenses - Bomb Actual 0
All Other Offenses - Bomb Threat 3
All Other Offenses - Trespass Demo 0
All Other Offenses - Trespass Other 108
All Other Offenses - All Other UCR 26 84
Total (All Other Offenses) 195
Misc. Part II Offenses 2
*GRAND TOTAL (PART II): 674 *</p>
<p>Number of acts isn't as important as number of acts per capita.</p>
<p>Either way, I don't know that Berkeley is too bad. Not spectacular, but certainly not Detroit.</p>
<p>All it takes is to be on the receiving side of one of the number of acts, and it becomes very important. I only mentioned the Stats because of the thread title.</p>
<p>lovetocamp,</p>
<p>Sure. But that's not how life works, really. Don't present statistics without the proper context, or you're just lying (or sorta stretching the truth, in this case) with statistics, really. I mean, if I say that there are, oh, 30,000 murders in the US every year, and only 40 in Tuvalu, you might say, "gee, Tuvalu must be real safe!"</p>
<p>Except that there are only like... 400 people in Tuvalu.</p>
<p>CAL over USC for the NCAA championship in men's water polo. :)</p>
<p>Bad week for the Trojans. :(</p>
<p>UCLAri - I resent you characterizing the statistics as lying (or stretching the truth). The statistics were taken directly from the UC Berkeley Police official website. And, you are mostly wrong in your analysis of statistics in this case. One rape, or one assault is one too many for the person who was on the receiving end. In terms of per-capita, UC has approx 24,000 undergrad, USC has approx 16,000 undergrad. It is not like one campus has 400 undergrads, and the other has 60,000 undergraduates. They are close enough in total student population, that the statisitics are relevant. If you want to argue further on the statistical relevancy, then i will revert back to one assault, even in a population of 1,000,000 is very "important" (to use your word), to the individual who was on the receiving end. And, i doubt that the person would feel any less violated by hearing that they are statistically "insignificant" as viewed on a per-capita basis. </p>
<p>UCLAri - for what it is worth, I harbor no ill feelings towards you (until you implied that I was lying or stretching the truth). I would rather be spending my time in positive constructive posts. I have previously very strongly voiced my opposition to the "my school is better than your school" type threads and posts. Yet rivalry (in your face) threads and posts continue. People seem to think that they can hide behind subtle acerbic remarks (and I am not referring to you in that comment). </p>
<p>I have no problem if people from other schools wish to view USC threads, and even to respond with positive posts. However, I, personally, see no value in the antagonistic demeaing posts/threads that continue to show up in USC threads. Since they seem to be acceptable in the rules/guidelines, I figured better to join-in. I attempted to turn the other cheek for many months, and yet the subtle ugly posts continue. So, if we are going to compare school for school, academics and athletics, we should compare all aspects, including crime. </p>
<p>Lastly, I personally think that a student will receive an excellent education at USC, UC Berkeley, or UCLA (and many other top universities). I think that all 3 institutions are top notch. Ironically, as i have stated in earlier posts in other threads, students from all 3 universities, will in many cases end up working side by side. Now is the time for the students to value and to appreciate each other. I, personally, think that the "my school is better than your school" discussions should have ceased when everyone left high school. Whether one school has 10 Nobel Laureates and the other school has 20, and whether one school has 5 National Championships and the other school has 2, is meaningless in the big scheme of things.</p>
<p>lovetocamp,</p>
<p>I realize that one rape is too many, but let's be realistic here: bad things DO happen, and we can't stop all bad things. But we can't look at raw numbers and make conclusive statements; it's simply disingenuous. When you're looking at Berkeley's statistics, it may include a larger surrounding population. Or it may be tabulated differently.</p>
<p>Oh, and statistically speaking 8000 more people is HUGE. That's a much much larger population. It's a 50% increase!</p>
<p>I didn't mean to offend you, but c'mon...let's be fair and scientific here if we're going to muck around with numbers and try to draw conclusions.</p>
<p>Camp:
It’s impossible to compare “apples to apples” with the stats you provided. First, the numbers provided by CAL are for an approx 2 mile area including the area around the campus in Berkeley and Oakland. Second, DPS at USC reports for ON CAMPUS only… how convenient. That way the numbers can be twisted and massaged to keep parents paying the big bucks into thinking their children are truly safe walking around South Central LA! Third, DPS hasn't provided updated information since 2003. DPS also has the discretion of calling LAPD on a student or not… hmmm…. For skewing of numbers purposes, or???</p>
<p>In the last month, (info taken from: <a href="http://www.lapdcrimemaps.org/%5B/url%5D">http://www.lapdcrimemaps.org/</a> for the period November 4 to December 3) and in a 2 mile area around USC (similar to what UCPD reports at CAL…) here is what LAPD has on their books:</p>
<p>Burglary: 37
Personal Theft: 36
Grand Theft Auto: 123 WOW!!!!!
Theft from Vehicle: 68
Robbery (Violent): 116 WOW!!!!!
Forcible Rape: 7
Homicide: 3 </p>
<p>TOTAL: 390 ONE MONTH TOTAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>REMINDER: THIS IS FOR A ONE MONTH PERIOD!!!!! And, this does not include the bike thefts and all the petty stuff DPS actually does keep track of… IT GETS WORSE!!! Multiply these numbers by 12 (because the numbers provided on CAL are for a 1 year period!) and IMHO, is a very scary place to be... don't think I would want to be on the streets, or campus at USC...</p>