<p>my defintion of nerd: those with no life, few friends, lack social skills and may be shy, but get good grades, are nice, and are funny in an immature way</p>
<p>btw, even though i label myself as a huge nerd, i try to take care of my looks, so i look ok - not super hot, but not that ugly</p>
<p>i do try to leave my room and join clubs/organizations to meet hot girls, but my social skills are a little behind since i've never really tried being social before</p>
<p>I wouldn't date someone who had no life, no social skills, and had a disgusting sense of humor. The only people who would are people who take pity on the "nerds" you're talking about, and nobody wants to be pitied by the person they're dating. That's an unhealthy relationship bound for failure right there.</p>
<p>i think you should stop emphasizing that you label yourself a "nerd" if you view it as a negative thing. Point out things about yourself that are positive and focus on those. Everyone has room for improvement, so it wouldn't hurt to notice some things you may want to improve on. </p>
<p>Everyone has opinions on everyone, so don't take what other's think about you seriously. Its your life, your reality. Do what you think will get you where you want.</p>
<p>^^Yeah, what's wrong with being a nerd? I'm a nerd, but I'm a hot one, too. :)</p>
<p>So that goes into my other question...what do you mean by "hot"? Do mean an attractive girl who is intelligent and etc. or a party girl Paris Hilton type? Because it's obvious that a Paris Hilton type will only go for money, so that's a duh.</p>
<p>I think the reason why most girls tend to not date nerds is because those guys tend to think they're too inferior for a "hot" girl and don't take the initiative to go up and talk to her, ask her out, woo her, etc. And bad hygiene is always a turn off for girls...</p>
<p>So nerdy guys, just shower once in a while, comb your hair, wear clean clothes...it's that simple. And smile.</p>
<p>:D</p>
<p>You say that it needs to be a "hot" girl. If you're going to set high standards, make sure you yourself can meet those standards.</p>
<p>by hot girl, i mean an attractive girl who is intelligent and etc, not the paris hilton type</p>
<p>so if i were to take the initiative to go up and talk to her, ask her out, woo her, etc, would i have a chance? i do have good hygiene</p>
<p>i wouldnt say my social skils suck that much, but its having no life and few friends that makes me doubt my chances</p>
<p>Haha Paris Hilton. Haha she is blonde with no brains but Pig's poops.</p>
<p>Newton, some confidence wouldn't kill you...</p>
<p>^easier said than done though...</p>
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<p>what exactly is a "disgusting sense of humor"? </p>
<p>we all have different tastes and stuff... and i don't think "nerds" are the only ones who are predisposed to disgusting humour... whatever that is.</p>
<p>Why do guys insist on dating a "hot" girl?</p>
<p>If you yourself are below-average, why would you pass up people who are average-looking?</p>
<p>Everybody in here should watch the South Park episode called "The List".</p>
<p>I think it's better to date people who are above-average to average in looks. Attractive people are treated really well in life by both males and females, so they feel entitled to everything. Really high maintenance.</p>
<p>Problem is most nerds/geeks (in my experience) are either painfully shy or don't know how to treat women. If a guy can't work up the gusto to ask me out, or if he thinks I'll find him more attractive if he clings to me like a sad puppy dog, then I just don't think it's going to work out.</p>
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<p>Beauty is a trait that nearly all men look for in a girl. It's evolutionarily hardwired into our brain to find a female with certain hip-waist ratios, breast sizes, facial symmetry, etc attractive because in the past it would give us the highest statistical probability of producing viable offspring. Therefore we naturally <em>LIKE</em> hot girls.</p>
<p>On the other hand, girls do not value looks nearly as much. They are evolutionarily hardwired to look for a man with <em>VALUE</em>. Will he be able to bring back meat from the hunt? Will he be able to build a good shelter when the storms come? Will he be able to defend the village when the neighboring tribe attacks? These are the things she will look for. So an "average looking" guy needs not go only for an "average looking" girl. If the guy has value, and is able to demonstrate that to a girl, she will be attracted.</p>
<p>That is a good generalization Entadus, and it does reflect human nature, but human nature doesn't define everything.</p>
<p>Some females with a lot of power and authority will settle for "guys with less value" becuase it will be hard for them to find a mate with more "potential." If a woman is pretty well off, accomplished, and independent, she will be less simple-minded when it comes to finding a mate.</p>
<p>For guys, beauty is great, but personality can go a long way. Have you seen Pulp Fiction? Remember what Jules said about the dog versus the pig? There are some girls out there that are so cool, funny, and charismatic that I just wish I were attracted to them. If only.</p>
<p>I agree that personality is important too. The point of my post wasn't to say that looks are all the matters, but rather that guys should never feel handicapped because they aren't super good looking. If you feel like you have a lot to offer the people you associate with, be it your humor, intelligence, etc, then emphasize it. You don't have to settle for someone you aren't really attracted to.</p>
<p>Not likely. Kenshinsan hit the nail on the head. I'd also suggest reading "Neoliberal Genetics" for more on the subject.</p>
<p>But, seriously, being a nerd is a choice of sorts and something that can be changed quite easily with a change of style.</p>
<p>Newton, you'll never know if you have a chance if you don't try, right?</p>
<p>And if she's the kind of girl for you (I'm assuming you like nice ones) then she will be nice in handling any "wooing" by you. Aka she won't scream "OMG NO" if you ask her out, and won't go running to her Facebook or whatever to shout the gossip.</p>
<p>You forgot something. I think you meant:</p>
<p>how often do hot girls ever go dating with nerds - those with no life, few friends, lack social skills and may be shy, but get good grades, are nice, are funny in an immature way, and **superficial<a href="...apparently%20unjustifiably%20so...%20if%20ever%20superficiality%20could%20be%20justified">/B</a>?</p>
<p>but I take it that by the wording of your question that that extra characteristic is implicit. and the answer would be...............NO. <em>GASP!</em> because even if a hot girl were willing to give your personality a chance, good grades, self-alleged "nice"ness, and funniness can't redeem an ugly shallow personality. No self-respecting girl (hot or not), especially one who is "intelligent and etc," would want to simply be somebody's arm candy or bragging right.</p>
<p>Before you ask if others would be willing to look beyond your appearance and give you a chance, perhaps you should ask yourself if you'd be willing to look beyond the appearance of others and give them a chance.</p>
<p>"how often do hot girls ever go dating with nerds - those with no life, few friends, lack social skills and may be shy, but get good grades, are nice, and are funny in an immature way?"</p>
<p>I'm a nerd- I am an electrical engineering major, I have a Popular Mechanics sitting in between me and my keyboard, and I watched Star Wars Episodes V+VI this weekend. HOWEVER, I have a girlfriend, and while I concede that she isn't like someone said an 'A&F model' she's pretty hot. Regardless, before I had my girlfriend, I was pretty good at picking up girls.</p>
<p>Here is the paradox: I am a nerd. However, I am overly self-confident, very outgoing, quite often a jerk, and very funny in making jokes about people that are probably too mean. Regardless, girls like that stuff. They don't admit it; when I tell my girl friends this, they think I'm an idiot. However, if you are nice to a girl when you meet her, you will NOT get with her. The thing about girls is that you have to be a jerk and not care about them at all when you want them, and then when you're dating them, you have to flip that around and be really nice to them.</p>
<p>Like I said, I am a total jerk when I want to pick up a girl, and when I was trying to go out with my current girlfriend I pretended I couldn't care less if I dated her, even though I obviously did. That said, now that we are going out, I'm the sweetest guy in the world to her. Once in a while I will leave her random surprises like roses in her car or just little notes in places reminding her that I love her.</p>
<p>I have just realized that a lot of this information is superfluous, but I don't want to erase it now that I've written it all down :p. In summary, a nerd can get a good girl, he just can't be a nerd while doing it. ;)</p>