How long does it take for the average engineer to get into management?

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Expats are expensive, and there’s nothing inherently wrong about local(from the country of origin) managers. Indian, Chinese, Japanese, etc. engineers are plenty competent. A lot of those jobs will simply cease to exist for US citizens.</p>

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<p>I don’t disagree with this. I am wondering about what kind of programming work you are referring to. If it is not legacy stuff, there is still changing dynamic as technology changes.</p>

<p>I didn’t mean the mgr would move offshore. Just coordinate from afar. But actually I was thinking more of Project Mgr (or sw architect), not people mgr.</p>

<p>I have turned down requests for interviews from several big name companies out West largely because their idea of a “software architect” or “software lead” involves shepherding offshore people. My wife does that and it is not quite as appealing as one may think (look Uncle Bill I have people to do the work!!)</p>

<p>Funny you mentioned project management. A rather major project Mrs. Turbo was involved as Test Lead (first and last time) involved an onshore PMP certified project manager who was absolutely smoked by the offshore development team. When I say smoked I mean smoke and mirrors. My wife raised the issue several time with the PMP but the PMP chose to ignore the warnings… Lets just say the PMP ain’t there any more and that very stringent test protocols were established shortly thereafter…</p>

<p>Right now I am “assisted” by an offshore team and it is taking days to fix issues we fix in hours. Both cases are with very respectable outsourcing outfits …</p>