How many schools should we add to our list in quest of merit aid?

<p>Here's a bit more information, to answer some of the questions raised so far.</p>

<p>DD is a harpist and wants to double-major in music and an academic field (probably English or political science). The one non-negotiable is that the college must have a harp teacher. That factor has knocked several potential in-state schools off the list. The overall caliber of the music program is also important, although she is equally interested in a strong overall liberal arts education and doesn't plan to go the conservatory route.</p>

<p>Her music could put her in the running for some talent-based merit money, although it seems to me that music awards tend to be less lucrative than academic ones. (And the ensuing music career would also be less lucrative ... sigh. That's one reason she wants to be prepared for a different direction for graduate school -- possibly law school.)</p>

<p>The music factor makes it more challenging to crank out multiple applications, since many of the schools will require auditions, either for admission or for scholarships. Some -- especially those a long way from home -- may accept a recording in lieu of a live audition, but a live audition is generally preferred.</p>

<p>LAC or university? Either is probably acceptable to her. All other things being equal, she'd probably prefer the LAC environment. Most of the schools on her list are small -- and in many cases she might be the only harp student, or one of just two or three. We don't know whether that's good or bad. One of the schools has a larger harp program with about a dozen students and a teacher that dd dearly loves, but it's unaffordable unless significant aid comes through. </p>

<p>Other factors: She's conservative (politically and socially) and prefers to avoid party schools. She'll consider schools with a conservative-liberal balance and lively debate that respects both sides, but a campus dominated by the liberal viewpoint would be rejected. A Christian college would be a plus; half the schools on her short list are Christian. She likes the South (warm weather, closer to home), but that's negotiable; two of her short-list schools are in the North. </p>

<p>She thinks she can improve her ACTs and will be re-taking. She hasn't taken SATs yet (and may not); she does plan to take three SATIIs.</p>

<p>One of her match/reaches is expensive but is known for giving many merit awards of varying sizes - half tuition, 3/4 tuition, full tuition. The other match/reach doesn't give huge merit scholarships but instead keeps the overall expenses low for all students; it's one of the most affordable schools on her list.</p>

<p>Two of the remaining four are numbers-driven -- if you get the numbers, you get the dollars. In one case this includes class rank, which makes it a bit more dicey, since other people's performance will affect her numbers. </p>

<p>The other two are more like Curmudgeon's description of Rhodes. One gives a true full ride -- tuition, room, board, fees -- but only to four students. The next rung down its scholarship ladder is a long way down. The other gives a variety -- half tuition, 3/4 tuition, full tuition. We don't know the typical distribution of these awards, but we don't think they would be awarded in huge numbers, because it's not a huge school.</p>

<p>By the way, her 4.0uw is actually straight A's. She doesn't have access to AP courses, and her school doesn't weight grades. She has taken several community college courses, again with straight A's.</p>

<p>She expects to have the Congressional Award Gold Medal and National Merit Commended by the time applications are due.</p>

<p>Do you know if these Merit Awards are exclusively for the OU Honor School students ? My son wants to major in Music Composition & Theory , plus , som eengineering .</p>

<p>My Harp teacher went to the program at Cinncinnati which also has arts & sciences . Did you check them out ?? However , I do not know of their merit awards or endowments .</p>

<p>Here's a link to the Harp program at UC : <a href="http://www.uc.edu/programs/viewprog.asp?progid=1332%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.uc.edu/programs/viewprog.asp?progid=1332&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>lgreen, I think that Baylor University may hit your requirements just about right.</p>

<p>That combo of Christian and music is beyond me, so hopefully someone else can chime in.</p>

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All 4.0 UW's (on a 4.0 scale) are straight A's. That's what UW means. ;)</p>

<p>The OU scholarships are open to all students, HTC or not.</p>

<p>Agree with the 'mudge - Baylor seems just right.</p>

<p>lgreen - haven't you just described St. Olaf?</p>

<p>St. Olaf? Probably. Except for the Southern, warm weather part.</p>

<p>Oh, come on lgreen. -75 or 75, what's a few degrees? :eek:</p>

<p>Easydoesitmom, thanks for the Cincinnati suggestion. I think we have requested information from them.</p>

<p>We've been under the impression that dd was unlikely to get significant merit aid from out-of-state publics. We thought most of their merit aid was likely to go to their own in-state students. </p>

<p>Were we wrong? Are some of the publics aiming for geographic diversity by using merit money to attract out-of-staters?</p>

<p>Oh dear , I hope there are some Merit awards for OOS ! I know that there are many knowledgeble Musical CC parents who may advised us properly on the OOS staus for Merit awards at public U's.</p>

<p>Thanks for heads up on OU , Dig. My neice ( an Ohio native ) graduates from OU there in June and we are thrilled with her education there. It's on my son's list.</p>

<p>St. Olaf? Probably. Except for the Southern, warm weather part.</p>

<p>Well, honestly, I don't think there is a "middle-of-the-road" Christian LAC with the combination of an extraordinarily strong music department, coupled with superb academics, coupled with merit aid that comes even close to matching it.</p>

<p>Here's how dd's current six schools rank on the U.S. News list.</p>

<p>One is a top 50 national university. One is on the national LACs list, but not in the top 100. Three are in the regional rankings, not on the national lists at all. The in-state public is listed as a fourth-tier national university.</p>

<p>I'd been wondering whether she's setting her sights too <em>low.</em> I have no doubt that she could win admission to schools of a higher caliber than those on her current list. I'd thought perhaps she should add another one or two higher-ranked schools to her list and enter the merit lottery at those schools.</p>

<p>However, admission does no good if one can't afford the tuition. I figured that a lower-ranked school is the price one must pay for merit aid. After hearing some of the discussion here, I'm wondering whether we should leave the higher-ranked schools alone and instead apply to even more of the lower-ranked schools.</p>

<p>What are your thoughts about the quality of education at a school where you're in the top 5-10% vs. a school where your stats are more typical?</p>

<p>I was going to suggest St. Olaf as a perfect fit, but I didn't get to search for harp. She might get used to the cold weather, and the music is sublime. Excellent education, too.
LGreen, I sent you a PM.</p>

<p>I think you can get a great education where you are in the top 5-10%. It is better if you are in a smaller, less popular or less discussion based major. For example, your daughter might be happier writing papers in English, and getting feedback from the faculty, than sitting in a political science class where there is little discussion at her level. The higher she goes, and the smaller the classes, the more the education will come from her efforts, rather than the abilities of those around her. Would she have better peers at Duke, for example, - sure, but at the lower ranked school, her profs might treat her more as a peer.</p>

<p>I honestly think, though, you should talk with her about letting go of one of her criteria (geography), that alone may bump her up a couple of notches, and allow her to get everything else she wants and you need ;)></p>

<p>Yes, St. Olaf does have a harp instructor. I just found her name on the St. Olaf web site.</p>

<p>It would be nice for dd to actually meet and do trial lessons with the potential teachers. The chemistry between student and teacher is important for a music student. She loves her current teacher (who also teaches at two of the colleges on her short list), and I would hate for her to choose a college based on merit money, only to find herself working with a teacher that she couldn't abide.</p>

<p>dig is right. Sometimes people get so excited about merit that is 20K a year but remaining tuition, r & b, fees, books, etc can really be another 25K a year (plus any traveling expenses to and from school for major holidays). If 25k a year is doable, then great. If it isn't, then you're no better off than when you started.</p>

<p>My advice is let your child know up front that high merit scholarships are a big "if" and that she needs to be prepared to pick some affordable safeties.</p>

<p>If merit aid is the most important for you then set it up as priority, everything else is negotiable. I would encourage your D to apply to about 10 schools, most of them should be match, match/safety, safety category. What use is to get in top school when you can't afford it?</p>

<p>lgreen: Let me add -- you are right about your concern that top-tier may not give the most merit (afterall, all their students are "top tier" also). You may have better luck at schools that want your "top" student so that they can boost their own stats. There are colleges that have "calculators" on their websites so that you put in your child's stats and out comes the merit that would be awarded.</p>

<p>BTW: since your daughter is a junior with hi stats, how did she do on her PSAT? If she scored high enough then she may become a NMF next year and there are schools that give high merit to NMF students.</p>