<p>They should consider it after they have a couple years of scores to base admissions on. Thats pretty much what most schools are doing now and i think its fine.</p>
<p>in addition to writing i think they should do speaking, because a lot of kids are nerds but don't have personality or the ability to express themselves in words.
this is a half-hearted idea. it would never work, but sounds like a good idea</p>
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ohh i see, i didn't know that about harvard turn-downs. but the people in my area like aren't rich.. but aren't poor. (middle to uppper-middle class). I thought the ivies met 100% of demonstrated need?
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But the question is what <em>is</em> demonstrated need? A lot of Iviy-tier schools give a lot of aid to students under a set income, like $40,000 or so. But what people don't realize is that being above that doesn't mean you can pay for school easily. My father has worked on an assembly line for thirty years and my mom is a clerk at a department store; together, with careful management, they make about $60,000. But three sisters also went to college before me. Do I have need? Absolutely. But are we above the set income? Yes. It sort of punishes those who do manage their money carefully. And additionally, as someone said, often times "aid" is really just "loans," which doesn't help either.</p>
<p>hmm... yes.. but on your FAFSA you list brothers and sisters, and if they're in college, and if so, where, and they take that all into account. if you go to collegeboard dot com, they have an EFC calculator. it gives you a number (usually between 5 and 20 thousand) which is Expected Family Contribution. if your school states that it provides for 100% of demonstrated need, then you can take the cost of college and subtract your EFC to get how much total aid that college would give you, approx.
45,000 (columbia univ.) - 6,500 EFC = 38,500 total aid package.. probably about 28,000 grant (u dont pay back) about 7 or 8 in loans.. and 2 or 3 in work-study</p>
<p>7-8 thousand in loans isn't that bad. especially when you're going to columbia. plus, you can always get outside scholarships :)</p>
<p>The FAFSA is flawed though, because it doesn't take into effect everything. Honestly, though, I think a more comprehensive system would only make things more complicated. My three sisters are all out of college now, but my family is still in financial problems because of that. It doesn't show up on the FAFSA because they're all done. But it doesn't mean it's still not having an effect. </p>
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28,000 grant
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That is a very, very high grant, especially at for the average person at an Ivy League university. MIf one is lucky, it'll be 10-15 thousand and the rest in loans. Work-studies aren't usually worth very much.</p>
<p>I mean, don't get me wrong, sometimes it works out well. But if it were really as easy for a person with need to get a grant, get a few loans, do a few work-studies, and win outside scholarships, there would be a lot more people attending college.</p>
<p>good point. </p>
<p>btw-if anyone knows, when I fill out my FAFSA, I know we have to list parents' financial investments (like stock accounts).. but do we list IRA's? (individual retirement accounts) because they can't be touched until you retire, and if you do, you lose about 25% in penalties.. so how can they make you list it, and how would you calculate the value if you do have to list it?</p>
<p>Anyway, not so many people can score a 2300+</p>
<p>I know for the ACT, a composite of 30 gives you a 97 percentile.</p>
<p>How many peopel got 2400 on SAT? And I wonder would any Ive League college reject them?</p>
<p>Few people get a 2400 in one sitting. I would guess maybe 100 per year? Combined, maybe 200 kids?
YES, they DO get rejected. HPY does for sure, and Duke, Columbia, and Tufts have also rejected "perfect" kids. They look for a LOT more, like EC's and such, because they don't want someone who spends their whole weekend with their nose buried in a book. Although, it's easier to get in with a 2400 than a 2300, but especially at HPY it is never a shoe in, even with a 2400 :)</p>
<p>Would an Ivy reject a 2400?
hmmmmmm.........WITHOUT A DOUBT, THEY WOULDN'T THINK TWICE.</p>
<p>yes yes, 2400 means little.
for pretty much all Ivies, it is generally like this i think:
~2150+
~3.7UW
-Very rigorous, if not the most rigorous courses possible
-at least 2 dedicated EC's, one of which should be out of school and help others
-unique and creative essays- no essays like "i wanna go 2 columbia cause its in New york city!"</p>
<p>If you are around meeting all those, then you get passed to the next pool, and from there they don't really care if you got a 2200 or a 2400, they're looking at community service, innovation, intellectual curiousity, diversity, etc.</p>
<p>rightwing: you forgot the part about them carefully inspecting whether or not there's enough money in your wallet and whether or not your parents went to the school and still donate money</p>
<p>hahah true dat
but it's "need blind" admissions
except on harvard's actual application, it has a little box and it asks you whether or not you plan to file for financial aid. i wonder what teh admit rates are for kids who check no versus kids who check yes. on a serious note, i would guess it might be ~20% for kids who say they wont ask for money, and more like <7% for kids who say they will.</p>
<p>Its funny--we make up so many rules and guidelines on how to get into the perfect college... only to discover when we've gotten to the admissions process that the Ivies play by no rules at all... THAT'S irony. I mean, how many kids looking to go to HYP work their asses off for a 4.0UW and a 2400, only to be rejected by a top school?? </p>
<p>Also, you can figure that about 40% of the kids that got a 2300+ are currently signed on to this forum....</p>
<p>I agree. The sad thing is, i am the only person from my HS who is on this forum :( (I don't have a 2300, I have ~2140 :()</p>
<p>No frowny-faces, rightwing... I'm a lot lower than that. I'm the only one on from my hs too. Typical...</p>
<p>ya rightwing, about the scores above 30, that isnt all that special (even the 34), besides HYP cost A LOT of money, money that many people don't have
i have experienced this... so far we have a 36, 2 34s, a 33 (me), and 3 31s
and almost no one has taken them, the 36 isn't even considering ivies and i have a feeling it is because the kind of people you encounter there, a vast majority of the students at ivies have a certain air about them (im better than you, i got to Harvard/Yale etc.) many people dont want to deal with that, i know i dont</p>
<p>Rightwing: Besides the aforementioned finance issues: 1. Some brilliant kids are independent learners of all political stripes who want a different approach. There's a college in California that takes incredibly intelligent kids and they work on a ranch by day and study Heidegger by night. Other schools use no text books, and learn from all original texts. 2. Some kids want to play sports elsewhere than Ivies. 3. Some kids with perfect SATs have family considerations that encourage them to stay near home. 5.High scoring students might want to go to military academies. 6. Some great minds already have started companies, or their life's work (musicians for example) .. To presume all students have similar aspirations is amazing to me! One of the reasons NOT to go to ivies: To open one's eyes to the wide world around us.</p>
<p>interesting!
chaudoinker: i wasn't implying that they were "Special" i was just saying those are the top scores for my hs-which aren't that high</p>