How much do YOU think YOU need to retire? ...and at what age will you (and spouse) retire? (Part 1)

I’ve been reading some commentary about The Millionaire Next Door from around the time of its publication date. In the book, the authors suggested a formula for estimating what one’s net worth ought to be. I remembered another forum in which I was once active had a heated discussion about this topic. The consensus was that the sum required by the formula is hard to achieve during one’s early working years and is a more realistic target during middle age.

The formula: multiply your age by your realized pretax annual household income from all non-inherited sources and divide by 10.

Ok, I tried the formula, but is it intended for both single people and couples?

@ixnaybob, I was a benefits director for several large corporations, two of them with tens of thousands of employees. I read the documents, I edited the documents, and I worked closely with the lawyers to write the documents. I helped numerous employees understand what the most important aspects of their benefits were. (I’m semi-retired now and just work on benefits communications.) You should have come to see me!!

I can only guess it’s for each individual. Aggregate for couples.

Edited to add: The “before dividing by 10 part” is always alarming.

Ok, but then household income is counted twice?

By that formula my DS should have had well over $100,000 saved up on a year after graduating. Not too realistic for youngsters.

@VeryHappy, I would have enjoyed coming to see you. But you were working at the wrong company :slight_smile:

@madison85

I think it’s just a guideline. So, I’d do it for each person and then add the sums together for a couple.

@notrichenough‌

That was the criticism. For young people, it’s not a realistic formula. I would have had the same $number as your D back in 1986!

I think I like his formula, because it’s almost dead on for us. And here I thought we were doing a crappy job.

Sorry, @notrichenough‌

Your S, not your D. :smile:

VeryHappy, I did lots of benefit communications work, too, both in consulting and at a TPA.

If I take the present value lump sum equivalent of Social Security and DB plan, plus 401(k) and IRA, we are right in that ballpark. It’s funny, that’s right about the number I was targeting in the first place.

After the real estate crash in 2008, our net worth (not counting our house equity) was close to zero. But the income stream from our RE investments never wavered, so I didn’t lose any sleep.

But by that formula we were in big trouble. Like every rule of thumb, it may or may not make sense for your circumstances.

That formula works for us using my wife’s age but not mine. So, it’s pretty darned close.

Why does this formula work?

From Investopedia:

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/pf/08/ideal-net-worth.asp

I think one way to look at it is to consider it like a “BMI test” for financial fitness. It’s not the only test. It’s one test according to these authors, who have a following.

AttorneyMother…ok. good. :slight_smile:

I’m guessing nobody know if this formula assumes you will have a pension or anything else?

That formula is way off for us. We have at least 50% more net worth than it calculated. That is not counting the home, SS, and Pensions.

For example, the idea number for a 55 year old who is making $150,000 year would only be $825,000 by the calculator.

I guess the reason is that we are not making a good income relative to our age.

I think there is already a thread devoted to rental properties, but I’ve come to the conclusion that income generating real estate is probably the best way to invest for retirement and beyond at this point. With mortgage rates low and rental demand high in many areas it’s very tempting.

@1214mom‌

I think if you have a pension, you are in better shape than most - just because it is a guaranteed stream of retirement income. I haven’t read the book, so I don’t know if the authors addressed that aspect. You could discount it and count it as a lump sum and see how you stand.

I also don’t know if the authors intended to include only financial assets or other personal property. To be on the conservative side, I included only financial assets minus the house equity for my test.