<p>Not sure what you consider top score- top 1%? Anyway, according to the data in the report on Hispanics, in 2012 graduating class 499 of 235,456 Hispanic test-taking seniors scored 34+, 2/10ths of one percent. Among all test-taking seniors the top 1% score that high. So far not finding such detailed data for other races for ACT.</p>
<p>One could do rough estimates from the Hispanic numbers. There were 222,237 African-American senior test-takers (95% as many as Hispanic) and their composite was 1.5 below Hispanics, so could drop down on all the top scores numbers listed for Hispanics by at least 5% and probably be safely well overestimating.</p>
<p>“re post 75, reeinaz, thanks for the stats with great info.”</p>
<p>Agreed, but as I said about the university data yesterday, in post 51, also pay attention to the YIELD. I believe a lot of these kids are counted several times among the acceptances, but they can be counted only once in the yield, or enrolled categories . The smaller the number of enrolled students, the smaller the yield. I am curious about which is cause, and which is effect.</p>
<p>Look at the gainers and losers on the LAC article. Look how much difference a handful of students makes in the percentages. Look at Harvey Mudd. TWO students enrolled! That does THAT mean? I believe we shall soon find out!</p>
<p>Celesteroberts-Thanks for Hispanic link. I would love to see something similar for African American students. May call them tomorrow and see if they have a link. Trying to convince DD not to retake her perfectly fine ACT score.</p>
<p>Interesting to note that at some LACs the acceptance rate for Black applicants is substantially lower than the overall acceptance rate for all applicants. At Lafayette the rate is half (20.5 for AAs versus 40.3 for all). Of course this could simply mean the AA pool was much weaker than the general pool.</p>
<p>Lafayette’s disparity also might be due to who takes advantage of their huge ED acceptance boost which has about a 65% acceptance rate. I seem to recall reading that in general, URM applicants don’t apply under ED.</p>
<p>While Duke TIP may have 70,000 per year, are they all in 7th grade, and did they all take the SAT (versus the ACT or some other qualification)?</p>
<p>Even if 70,000 took the SAT for that, that is only 4% of SAT test takers, so being in the bottom 7% of the presumed top 4% of 7th graders is still pretty high compared to the overall class.</p>
<p>so almost 15% of the students who will take the SAT test participate in it. At my son’s school from which they have not had a NMSF in 5 years 10% of the class was invited. So an average school may have 2 or 3 times that number of students invited to participate. You can see from the 8th, 9th and 10th grade SAT requirement that it is not an extremely selective program (540 on one section of the SAT for lower level ‘Academy’ courses & 600 on one SAT section for the upper level ‘Center’ courses). There is a Grand Recognition or National Recognition for kids who score close to 690 which is very selective/ rare. Generally, most middle schools have several state recognized students. Perhaps comparable to the number of NMSF commended in high school. Hope this helps. I would not be talking about this if I did not think it would be shocking for a kid to attend a school with 450 kids that participates in the program but does not have any state recognized kids.Generally most students on college bound track at most schools will be invited. Entrance is gained by doing well on those easy state basic skill tests that everyone aces.</p>
<p>By the way, 15% participate but at my son’s school only 33% of those invited participated. So, I cannot say for sure, but one would need to invite 45% of the students who take the SAT to get 15% participation, if my son’s school is any indication.</p>
<p>One of my kids qualified and another would have if we had submitted his IQ scores. The one who qualified did so on the basis of a subscore on the SSAT she took for prep school admissions. We were surprised at the invitation to participate, as we knew her to be a good, hard working kid, but not in any way exceptional as a student, and her other subscores were decidedly mediocre. Even the score on the basis of which she qualified put her only around the 80th percentile for her peer group (private school kids in our state) and right around the middle of scores for her school. We chucked it in the trash.</p>
<p>Here is an interesting 2007 article from that shows the dilemna universities face deciding how best to diversify in the face of seemingly intractable low URM test scores. This is Bloomington, not one of the elites, unless you’re in music. But it probably represents well what elite colleges face as well and buried in the article is some data about how many black (and Hispanic) Indiana kids score above- 500, 600, 700 on SAT math/verbal. The conclusion is worth reading.
<a href=“Indiana University”>Indiana University;
<p>Perhaps this will give you some feel for how Duke TIP functions, please look at TIP figures from a public school district and it’s middle schools in the outskirts of Houston:</p>
<p>Here is a list of all the middle schools in that district, so you can see there is not a single one that did not have some students with recognition:</p>