<p>I may consider going to purdue for engineering but It cost 20,000 for tuition out-of-state. My ACT above average and my GPA might be as well. My family also doenst have alot of money (35,000/yr).</p>
<p>I know they have aid but by aid do they mean a loan or are they talking about something I dont have to pay back. I dont want to be $100,000 in debt when Im out of college.</p>
<p>What do you mean by above average? Are we taking 25 ACT with 3.5 GPA or do you mean 28 ACT with 3.7 GPA?</p>
<p>27 ACT with a 3.6 GPA. Big upward trend also.</p>
<p>And what state do you come from?</p>
<p>Michigan.</p>
<p>Math grades are very good. Science Is good except freshmen year. Classes are college prep but no AP/Honors except for next year. We only have one AP. EC's arnt very good. I got some USAA National Science Merit award from my science teacher. I have no idea what it is. I dont feel my grades are good enough for UofM so Im not going to bother trying. Im a huge state fan anyway.</p>
<p>Have you considered Michigan Tech? It's very good for engineering.</p>
<p>You'd be crazy not to apply to Michigan. Their applications are easy to fill in. If your GPA has an upward trend, you are ok, especially that Michigan doesn't look at Freshman grades. Your ACT is a little low, so if you can retake it and get a 29 or better, Michigan would be a realstic reach.</p>
<p>Without freshmen I have a 3.8. I recalculated it with A-4 B-3 ect, and I took out all academic classes. At first I threw out Michigan tech because it was way up north, but now Im willing to move around a bit. Its also 85% male, darn. College is supposed to be for education but come on. Only problem is that Michigan will probably be expensive as I wont get a schlorship. Its pretty late to retake the ACT again. I dont think Ill do much better anyway. </p>
<p>Im not sure but these are the colleges on my list</p>
<p>Western Michigan
MSU #1 choice
Purdue, only because of awsome engineering and pharmacy program
Michigan, engineering although its hard as I am a huge MSU fan
Michigan tech, engineering, but location and sex ratio is a turnoff</p>
<p>You are in at Western and MSU. </p>
<p>I'd say that Purdue is a safe match for you. </p>
<p>Michigan is a good reach considering your Michigan GPA is 3.8. Do try to raise your ACT to 29 or 30 in October.</p>
<p>I would also recommend UIUC and Wisconsin-Madison (both of which aren't much more expensive than Purdue) as reaches.</p>
<p>Finally, check out Case Western. It is a small private school, but they give out generous aid packages and it is academically excellent.</p>
<p>In terms of cost, I don't know how you figured that Michigan is expensive. Including tuition, room and board, books and extra spending money, MSU costs $16,000 and Michigan $20,000. Both are relative bargains compared to Purdue, which costs roughly $30,000 when you include all the costs. And if you like Purdue because it is excellent in Engineering and Pharmacy, you should love Michigan!</p>
<p>Whatever you do, don't let your loyalty to MSU blind you.</p>
<p>I don't blame you for not wanting to apply to Michigan Tech. Few guys want to go to a very secluded school with an 8:2 male to female ratio.</p>
<p>To recap:</p>
<p>Reaches:
University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor</p>
<p>Match/Reaches
Case Western Reserve University
University of Wisconsin-Madison</p>
<p>Match:
Purdue University-West Lafayette</p>
<p>Safe/match:
Michigan State University</p>
<p>Safety:
Western Michigan University</p>
<p>Thanks Ive been waiting for someone to give me a rundown on my chances. I dont think Im going to go through with the ACT again and writing another essay. I know for WMU I can use my same essay I wrote for MSU. I think my MSU essay is pretty good so I should get in. I would apply to UofM before considering Illinois. I kind of want a great college life with sports and all so Case western probably wouldnt be my type. Wisconson is somewhat of a reach and its pretty far away. I may apply to Purdue. Id still like to know How much of my need will be in grants/scholorships so I dont have to worry about being in too much debt. It seems like MSU is a perfect match for me. Im a die-hard fan of their hockey team and I listen to all their games on the radio. I try to drive down to their home games when I can. It probably doesnt hurt that my step grandfather is the chairman for the dept. of Geography at MSU and my grandmother is the Deans secretary for the college of agriculter. Also my mom is an alumni there too. There are so much reasons why I should go to MSU so if Im accepted there I cant imagine being dissapointed. Judging by your ranks MSU is the second easiest school to get into so Im guessing my grades will get me more money then at the others ranked higher.</p>
<p>according to this list Michigan tech isnt even ranked clsoe compared to MSU. If this ranking is true then why would anyone want to go to Michigan tech when they could go to MSU. There about the same in terms of easiness to get into.</p>
<p>Yeah, I don't put a lot of stock in USNews' rankings, anyway. Just a few years ago, MSU's engineering program was 32 and now it's 58!? How can a program drop so quickly so fast? Because USN&WR rely largely on surveys asking deans which programs are the best based on what they've know -- and oftentimes, a... in other, a popularity contest based much less on meritorious, objective fact. And often the deans' knowledge is quite limited. MSU is probably better than MTech engineering-wise, but I wouldn't solely rely on USNews as the gospel in verifying that fact. The rankings were devised to boost USN&WR's sagging sales.</p>
<p>This topic has kind of gotten off topic. My question was never answered about how much aid in grants and scholarships do you think I might recieve. Also when they give me loans how much interest are on those?</p>
<p>Puppetzz, few students with 27 on the ACT will get significant merit scholarship money. As far as FA, it really depends on your family's financial situation.</p>
<p>Ok, I think I did that one financial aid thingy and it said Im elgible for a $1900 Pell grant. Does that mean Im more needy then most, or does it depend on a alot of things.</p>
<p>I am not sure what it means in terms of exact numbers, but yes, if you qualify for a pell grant, you will be eligible for FA. You really need to speak to an expert on FA to get more information.</p>
<p>Puppetz, I take it you filled out your FASFA form (Free Application for Student Financial Assistance). There your income and needs will be sent to each college you apply to. When you're accepted, the college will determine what you need and put together a balance of outright scholarship grants (which you don't have to pay back) and loans (which you do). Some may be in the form of Work-Study grants, in which you must work a job at the college or university in order earn the amount of money. You could get a free ride. Schools also have some merit and/or legacy scholarships (MSU does, and your mom is an alum) that could grant you a couple thousand dollars as well. It would be easier if a parent and not grandparent were an employee – in those cases, children of profs get something like free tuition rides (check MSU, though, since gramps is Geography Dept chairman, there may be something for you). Word of caution: most state universities, even those with huge endowments (MSU’s and Purdue’s are well over $1 billion), don't give a lot of full rides, and if they do they are heavily weighted toward in-state students -- students of taxpayers within their state. That’s why I could generally tell you that Purdue will no doubt have less for you than either MSU or WMU (although, in the FA game, I can never say with absolute certainty).</p>
<p>Now because your academic stats are pretty good, you may command a bit more in the scholarship end (no payback) than someone who squeaks in and/or is wait-listed 1st. But if you haven't already, you must 1st complete the FASFA. The Pell Grant likely would just be a part of your package and you, no doubt, would be eligible for other scholarships -- esp given your relatively low family income. But contact the Fin Aid office at each school you're applying to way ahead of time, and they can give you more details than someone who's just assessing broadly your situation, as we are.</p>
<p>Alright Ill probably only apply to MSU, WMU, and Michigan Tech (Its free, but I probably wont go there).</p>
<p>Michigan is maybe.</p>
<p>I think I will be very happy at MSU. How much does my undergrad really matter. If I do really good at MSU then I can transfer to michigan after I get my bachlerors and go for a masters maybe. I dont feel like writing another essay because I suck at writing. Ive never gotten letters of rec either and I need 2. Ohh and Im not going to retake the ACT again, and I will probably have to if I expect to go to Mich. MSU cant be that bad can it? Ohh and pretty much my whole family lives a few miles from campus and I used to live right there so I have a ton of friends nearby. Maybe some day more people with my stats will go to MSU so we can shoten the academic gap between the two. I dont think I could stand not being able to go to MSU football and hockey games. I absolutly love MSU hockey. College hockey is my favorite sport in the world, even above NHL. Rooting for Michigan is something I could never do. I just dont think going to michigan outways the benifits of going to MSU for me anyways. Besideds wouldnt a college care more about your research projects and other stuff rather then what college you went. If im really succesful in MSU then why does it matter what college I go to. I cant imagine MSU having a crappy rep.</p>
<p>You are in at Western and MSU. </p>
<p>I'd say that Purdue is a safe match for you. </p>
<p>Michigan is a good reach considering your Michigan GPA is 3.8. Do try to raise your ACT to 29 or 30 in October.</p>
<p>I would also recommend UIUC and Wisconsin-Madison (both of which aren't much more expensive than Purdue) as reaches.</p>
<p>Finally, check out Case Western. It is a small private school, but they give out generous aid packages and it is academically excellent.</p>
<p>In terms of cost, I don't know how you figured that Michigan is expensive. Including tuition, room and board, books and extra spending money, MSU costs $16,000 and Michigan $20,000. Both are relative bargains compared to Purdue, which costs roughly $30,000 when you include all the costs. And if you like Purdue because it is excellent in Engineering and Pharmacy, you should love Michigan!</p>
<p>Whatever you do, don't let your loyalty to MSU blind you.</p>
<p>I don't blame you for not wanting to apply to Michigan Tech. Few guys want to go to a very secluded school with an 8:2 male to female ratio.</p>
<p>To recap:</p>
<p>Reaches:
University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor</p>
<p>Match/Reaches
Case Western Reserve University
University of Wisconsin-Madison</p>
<p>Match:
Purdue University-West Lafayette</p>
<p>Safeties:
Michigan State University
Western Michigan Universities</p>
<p>Come on,what do you get when you mix maize and blue? Puke green! hehe!!! Seriously, if you love college sports, you should have no trouble having fun at Michigan. Michigan's football and hockey programs are decent. And when Michigan plays MSU, you can slently root for the men from Sparta!</p>
<p>As far as MSU, it is indeed not "crappy". In fact, MSU is a fine university. If you have really studied the matter, giving all alternatives a serious look, and come out knowing that MSU is best for you, go for it. You really cannot go wrong with MSU.</p>