how much will legacy advantage help me in getting into cornell?

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<p>DUE,
What with its open doors, open hearts, open minds policy and all of the egalitarian broo-haa-haa that is so much a part of how Cornell presents it self to the world; How does the university justify the Legacy system? I've seen the statistics.. it really is a significant advantage for you if your parents went to school here. As someone who got in with no familial connections, I can't help but think how upset i would have been if i'd been rejected while people who were less-qualified based on the admissions criteria were accepted because of something that I/they couldn't control. The same criticism (and it's a valid one) is leveled against affirmative action, but that is defensible because of its long-term objective (i'm not going to start on that debate here; suffice it to say that even its critics can acknowledge that there is at least some merit to what it is trying to do). The legacy system is giving people an advantage for no particular reason whatsoever. Is it a $ thing? Like, alums donate more if they know their kids are likely to go to the same school they did? If so, that's even a little more disturbing, as it virtually amounts to "selling" admissions preference when in our society today college admission is one of the most important events in determining peoples' future. So yeah, I'm sorry to seem like i'm being overly critical of the university that has given me a great academic home for the past few years, it's just one of those things that i don't understand and would like to; Thank you in advance!</p>

<p>Dear Thoughtful,</p>

<p>You are grappling with some tough questions, and ones that have been at the forefront of debate at the national level too. Have you been following some of the dialogue about affirmative action or Title IX? As with any admissions question there is no exact answer because admissions is not an exact formula. If it were, then admission officers would have a chart of qualifications, and if people fit a certain number of criteria, they would be accepted. Cornell and other colleges and universities strive to have a diverse student body with varying interests, strengths, and perspectives. As a result, I hope the following explanation helps to clarify the admissions process for you, although it may not entirely answer all of your questions.</p>

<p>The staff in the Undergraduate Admissions Office explain that legacies (applicants who have a connection to Cornell through a family member that was either a student or an employee) go through the same admissions process as any other applicant. There is no "fast lane" for legacy students. There is also a statement in the Big Red Book (the admissions prospectus) that explains "Cornell Families...The Cornell connection counts. Among applicants of roughly equal qualifications, children of alumni may receive preference. Please let us know if a parent, grandparent, or great-grandparent attended Cornell, or if a member of your family is a Cornell employee." So it is true, that a student may receive some preference, but only if other things are equal.</p>

<p>One could debate the origin and "lifeblood" of the Cornell connection. Could the 13% legacy students in the class of 2006 be so considerable, not because of admissions selection, but due to a very high number of legacy applicants out of the total pool? The family connection may inspire a student to apply to Cornell,
and influence one to choose Cornell over other acceptances. Cornell becomes part of a family "identity", more important as our ties loosen in the busy and dispersed world. Could the geographical connection weigh in? In this case, could familiarity breed content? Are you the first in a long line of Cornellians in your family? I hope, if they so desire, we can be a great academic home to them.</p>

<p>i got good grades and ecs, 32.5 superscored act. mom went there. will legacy preference seal the deal?</p>

<p>not necessarily, sorry to tell you.</p>

<p>legacy does help, but you gotta have everything else in your application to match it.</p>

<p>What if you've had around 15 family members attend or teach at Cornell dating back to the 1920's?</p>

<p>Well...my roommate's brother and mom graduated from cornell
she and her sister are both in the college of arts and sciences, majoring in the arts</p>

<p>but they are qualified, so i dont know how much legacy played into this</p>

<p>If anything, I found legacies to probably be slightly more qualified than the average Cornell student during my time at Cornell.</p>

<p>When I was in Ithaca this summer, one of the CAS admission deans, Ray Kim, said that it would only help if you were applying early decision.</p>

<p>wait, seriously?
is there any way I can call the undergrad admissions office to ensure that?</p>

<p>because if I won't have leagcy advantage, I don't even know if it will be worth it to apply... cornell really hates applicants from my high school.</p>

<p>lol they hate applicants from your high school?...
I'm sure it'll help but getting gpa,rank,sat,ec,essay,letters that are perfect
will help more :D</p>

<p>I've been told by Cornell admissions counselors that legacy only makes a mark if you're applying Early Decision. It's a nice little pull, but a legacy applicant still definitely needs to be pretty qualified to get in - a legacy applicant without any credentials won't be admitted.</p>

<p>a know a kid who was double/triple legacy: both parents attended, his grandfather attended, and supposedly great-grandfather (or uncle?) new Ezra. Kid attended Summer College twice (good grades), but was deferred ED, rejected RD.</p>

<p>so the consensus is that legacy regular decision does not help you get in at all?
what i mean is that the only people accepted to cornell from my school had 2250's+ and 3.95 gpas. i have a 33 act and 3.85 gpa so cornell honestly would be practically out of my league if it weren't for maybe legacy advantage helping me out a little.</p>

<p>so it's really true that cornell does not give ANY preference to legacy applicants applying rd? cuz if that's true I'm not going to waste my time on the app, and I'll apply to a school I actually have a good chance at instead like USC, Middlebury, U Chicago, and Hopkins.</p>

<p>No. Preference is given to legacies in RD as well.</p>

<p>That said, I don't think that you are approaching this with a good attitude. If the only reason why you want to apply to Cornell is because you think the legacy status well help you, then it would really be a wasted effort. Apply to Cornell because you like the school and you can see yourself studying there.</p>

<p>Middlebury, Chicago, and Hopkins are no easier to get into than Cornell.</p>

<p>for middlebury, lots of people with my stats have gotten in, as opposed to maybe lie2 people to cornell.</p>

<p>i like a lot of schools equally, and if I have a legacy advantage, hey I'd have shot so why not? but if I don't then it's not really worth it to waste my time and money sending in the cash.</p>

<p>i do like cornell, it's pretty and the food is incredible, but I like Rice and Bowdoin more.</p>

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<p>Which colleges at Cornell?</p>

<p>OP - you do not seem to have figured out what kind of school (other than "brand name") would 'fit' you - the schools you have listed as where you will apply are all different - Middlebury vs. U Chicago!!??!!</p>

<p>Rice, Bowdoin, and Cornell are three very different institutions.</p>

<p>I've had 2 grandparents and 4 great-grandparents (and numerous other great uncles/aunts, cousins, etc.). I very much hope that this will give me at least a little extra consideration.
Good thing is that one of those great-grandparents graduated in 1927. At Cornell, there is a scholarship fund specifically for descendants of that graduating class. So basically if I get in I go there almost for free :D</p>

<p>dude, rice, bowdoin, and cornell are all awsome places to go to school! just for different reasons.</p>

<p>rice has d1 sports, res college system, small size, prety campus, cool city with great erstaurants
bowdoin has small size, pretty location, nice small town, ski slopes and snow, lots of pretty trees</p>

<p>cornell is a prestigious ivy with reallyreally pretty campus, nice snow and slopes, great homemade ice cream an d cheese</p>

<p>plus all three have awsome academics and good intellectual stmosphere</p>

<p>and i screatched uchicago off my list</p>

<p>Does it help to have a sibling currently attending? (Provided the student is equally qualified.) I have one D attending, and another who wants to apply next year.</p>

<p>no.</p>

<p>only parents</p>