How time-consuming the app proccess is?

<p>Just curious: could anybody give me any ideas on the approximate of how much time college applications proccess takes? The parents whose children had already gone through this ordeal - how much time did your kids spend on writing all the essays and answering all the questions on Common Application? on UC application? on each supplemental application (on average)? on UChicago Uncommon Application? ;) </p>

<p>Also, how many colleges did they apply to and how much time, approximately, did the whole proccess take for them?</p>

<p>It depends almost entirely on the kid, but I'll share my experiences with you.</p>

<p>I work fast, and I procrastinate (but never miss deadlines). I wrote one essay one night and then spent a little time shortening it up. I wrote the base for one essay in about 45 minutes and then spent a couple of hours another night getting it into a complete form. I used this essay as a default essay but changed the title and the last lines or the last paragraph or two depending on the school. I wrote the Johns Hopkins $10 adventure essay in about a half hour before dinner a couple of nights before the application was due. In terms of actual applications, I usually completed one application in one or two sittings--time ranged from a couple of hours to most of the day. Short answer questions took an hour or two, depending on how long the answer was supposed to be and what the question was. I spent another half hour or even couple of hours editing the short answer questions later on. </p>

<p>I did the vast majority of my application writing and filling-out during winter vacation, though I had my essays basically written beforehand (minus that JHU optional essay that I decided to write at the last minute). Most of the time, I write quickly and edit slowly. Only one of my essays really turned out to need thoughtful editing, so that saved me time on the others. People who write slowly or laboriously will find themselves in a very different circumstance. Filling out the forms is boring and can take some time, but filling out the basic information isn't difficult. With many different applications, it takes a little time to figure out how to go about presenting the same information in a variety of ways depending on the questions and format of the application. Some information I added or skipped depending on what the application was like. One tough thing that people don't think about it the space constraints on online applications. I was pretty brief with my information, but I was regularly cut off by applications and had to figure out how to present the information in a different way. Short answers chew up the most time, in my opinion--and they should. Short answers are very important for some schools, and they're blown off by a lot of students.</p>

<p>I think it's best to approach each application individually; it's OK if they don't all read the same. It takes more time, and it make make some students feel uncomfortable, but I think it results in better and more interesting applications. I applied to seven colleges: 2 were Common App with supplement, 4 were individual applications, and 1 was the infamous "Uncommon Application." I started my essays in October and fooled with one of them through the day I sent in my last application. I applied to one school early. I did most of my work during winter break but got started on a couple of applications during the weekends before vacation. </p>

<p>My friends and sister had somewhat different experiences, but I'm sure you'll hear lots of different thoughts from the parents who will post.</p>

<p>I am a parent whose DS just finished his freshmen year. The application process was not very strenous or time consuming for him. I had kept a file with transcripts, ec stuff, etc. from very early on (like 10th grade). Then handed it off to him to do the paperwork. Our Senior year AP teacher has the kids write their college application essays as their first assignment of the year. LOVE this lady. She said it was painful helping her kids with their college app. essays and she wanted to spare other parents the drama. Did I mention I LOVE this lady? </p>

<p>Anyway, the UC applications take some time as you have to input each grade for each class. It's a bit of a pain, probably took about 1 hour. The others go fairly quickly if the essay can be used for multiple schools. </p>

<p>Also, he did not apply to a huge number of schools: 2 UCs (same app), 3 privates.</p>

<p>If you study the Stats Profile section of CC for any amount of time, you'll begin to see just how similar many of the applications can appear. Imagine being on the AdCom at a school that gets 20,000 applications from highly-qualified students. It's definitely worth investing a good bit of time on essays -drafting, writing, rewriting and honing them - to create a unique impression of yourself. After a while though, most of the essays and short answers you created for the first couple of apps can be revised and edited for use in subsequent apps.</p>

<p>Long time for my S. My S applied to 7 schools (2 very safe safeties, 1 higher safety and 4 matches). Five of the schools used the Common App, but had significant supplements. Two safeties asked for essays for their honors programs. He wrote his safety school essays first to practice and to hone his message.</p>

<p>He had a couple of false starts on his main essay, where he scrapped the essay and started with a fresh theme. Once he had that in good form, he spent significant time editing for space constraints and clarity. Each supplement required fresh essays. One school required a lengthy analytical essay. Some essays had ridiculously small character constraints, so he spent significant time finding the perfect word of the perfect size to communicate his thoughts. All in all, I'd say each of his match school apps took ~7 hours each to complete and "perfect". If you've got a kid applying to 10+ schools, my advice is to start nagging now. ;-)</p>

<p>My s decided on 5 schools during the summer before his sr year. He downloaded apps in Aug and had all essays and short answers written before school started. Took the essays to a fav teacher for editing and delivered recommendation requests during the first 2 weeks of school. Polished up the forms and inserted essays where they needed to go - sent all his apps in by October. No sweat, he was very relaxed about it, wrote here and there.....the only stressful part was in getting the recs completed. One of the teachers didn't send it in until Christmas week - after having had it since Sept. </p>

<p>It really helps to have the apps in hand as soon as you can get them in the summer and play around with the essay topics when there is no schoolwork. This was my only "rule" - that he had to have all the essays and short answers written before school started. </p>

<p>You, the parent, can save a bit of time by filling in the blanks on all the forms. But then again, it really is a good experience for them to get their first glimpse at the mind-numbing world of beaurocracy by filling in their name, address, and ss# over and over!!!</p>

<p>We spent a week visiting three schools spring junior year. My son did his first essay for the National Merit Scholarship. He applied next EA to Caltech and MIT. He spent hours not being able to think of something to write about. Eventually got an idea that worked fairly well. Rewrote it a few more times and sent it off. The essays he wrote for those two applications got reused for almost every other school he applied to. (Some took Common Application, RPI had an abbreviated application. Stanford had different essays and he did a lousy job with them.) </p>

<p>We didn't visit any more schools until we saw where he got in. We spent two weekends and a weekday visiting the schools that accepted him. I critiqued essays and addressed envelopes as he wasn't convinced the post office could read his handwriting.</p>

<p>S, currently a rising college sophomore, attended a private HS where there are approximately 30 students for each GC. Seniors are advised to research colleges and request application packages over the summer and to turn in the 1st draft of the Common App for GC review as soon as school starts in September, and draft essays for rolling, ED and UC apps 3 weeks or so before they are due. The process of choosing topics and writing, editing and polishing essays took S (who is an engineering major and dislikes writing) about 6-8 weeks, working with GC, at which point S had 3-4 long essays and 2-3 short essays ready to go. Each particular app took another 2 - 4 hrs to prepare, but at least it wasn’t stressful – filling out forms, modifying existing essays to suit the particular college/question, and writing a couple more short answers if necessary. Then another hour or so for me to read each application very carefully (especially to make sure the essays worked and to check for typos) and for edits to be made. Rolling and ED apps were sent in by end of October, and the UC app during Thanksgiving weekend (I told him not to wait until the deadline lest their servers crash), and since he was deferred on ED, the remaining apps in December.</p>

<p>Our son spent about 10 hrs on all applications + essay for all 8 applications he sent out. Seven were common appl and one was for our state flagship univ.</p>

<p>Having noted that, he spent many hours winnowing down his list to 8 applications.</p>

<p>The result was that he totalled $376,000 total merit scholarship aid and $100,000 for the college he is attending.</p>

<p>An estimate is that his effort computed to $50/hr in the $100,000 scholarship he recieved at Rensselaer.</p>

<p>$100K at $50 per hour comes out to 2,000 hours (approximately a year of 40 hour weeks.) Did he really spend that much time on it?</p>

<p>Actual time spent writing essays, editing essays and apps, gathering recs, writing professors, researching programs: maybe 80 hours over six months time. </p>

<p>Hours spent whinging about having to edit and re-edit: maybe 50 hours over six months time.</p>

<p>Holy cow! $500/hr it would have been! Ah those pesky late nite decimal boo boos.</p>

<p>Since the question concerns the application process, I should omit the days and weeks of time spent on the selection and information gathering phase including visits, interviews, and attending college workshops and summer programs. My D was unusual in that she applied to music programs, so I will also eliminate the countless hours spent on preparing for and performing at auditions. </p>

<p>Since we are also only including the time spent by the college applicant, I should also eliminate the many hours of work in assembling financial information, completing the FAFSA, TAPS, and CSS forms and the college-specific questionairres. I should eliminate the time spent revising the financial applications after the years tax information was complete. I should also eliminate the numerous phone calls and letters spend on requesting reconsideration of financial awards. </p>

<p>Let's also eliminate all the hours on dealing with the high school on submitting letters of recommendation and grades and the time spend arranging for outside recommendations. Let's also eliminate the hours spent on followup after the application process which included tracking of lost paperwork and requests for additional information. Perhaps we should also eliminate the time spent on researching and completing scholarship applications.</p>

<p>The actual application process began with the resume and the essays. It took my D quite a while to learn how to organize and write a resume which summarized all of her awards, accomplishments, EC's, community service, and out of school educational programs. She ended up with several versions for different purposes. She took a copy of the long version on interviews and submitted some of the short versions along with the supplemental applications. My W helped with some of the revisions so it is pretty difficult to estimate the total time spend. I would guess somewhere around 20 hours spread out over a couple of months. My D needed 3 major essays. The first one was a torture. She made several attempts that did not work out and then she rewrote the final version numerous times. I would guess she spent at least 10 hours on the one essay. The other two were quick, probably only 2-4 hours each including the numerous re-reads and minor revisions. The common app was pretty quick, probably only a couple of hours to complete and about the same to check and revise the next day. She had to complete at least a half dozen supplemental apps. Most required numerous short answers and often a short essay. It is tempting to rush through these and re-use the answers from supplements for different colleges. My D was able to do this a few times, but most of the supplements required specific responses. A typical question required a response about why the student was choosing the specific college. My D's responses were as specific as possible and often included reference to specific programs and information she had gathered from visits and interviews. I would guestimate that the supplements took about 4 hours each. So far my estimates would total 64 hours. I would bet that the actual time was much longer. My D spent a lot of time starring into space while she tried to decide on responses or tried to work up the enthusiasm needed to get through this process.</p>

<p>The college selection process can be fun and exciting. I don't think there is any fun or excitement in the actual application process. There are countless opportunities to make careless errors and omissions and lots of time is needed to do it right. Of course, not all applications are the same and not all students face applying to numerous reach colleges that have "holistic" admission processes. I did not even include my D's safety schools which included 3 State U's. I think she completed all 3 applications in about a total of 20 minutes.</p>

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<li>The best gift you can give your famiily in senior year is to COOL IT for every needless expectation around the Christmas season, IMHO. And consider staying home (not going out-of-town) for Thanksgiving, if that's an option for you.</li>
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<p>In our household, we needed every inch of those 2-and-a-half weeks to address last-minute issues even though they began well on time. The fall classes at school, surprise events that befall a family out of everyone's control (grandma not well, must jump in the car to see her...) are real issues. </p>

<p>In each kid's senior year, we did not travel for Thanksgiving or Winter Break; we discouraged out-of-town family from visiting and staying overnights; and simply said, "this year we have to work on college applications and can't entertain." </p>

<p>It depends on your family's priorities. We had the actual meals (Thanksgiving, and in our case, Hannukah evening candlelighting 8x) but no big shopping, wrapping, cookie baking, the whole nine yards.</p>

<p>Many have important traditions around these two holidays and I wouldn't want to dampen anyone's meaningful family time! But if there's anything "over-the-top" or "extra" that's been bothering you for years as obligations, this is the year to put up your hands to others and say, "Sorry; our household is busy this year; next year we'll be back to it." </p>

<p>As a Mom I felt this was where I could cut corners. And oh that preserved me from being pulled in too many directions, so I could stay calmer and be genuinely helpful by noticing slip-ups and pending missed deadlines before they were disastrous.</p>

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<li><p>I discovered with child 3 that if a student is doing any "Supplemental Arts Applications" (for film, visual arts, theater performance) that adds roughly one-third again more to each application. That's on top of the "Supplement to the Common Application."
Preparing a creative portfolio is often on same deadline as all the other application essays, which is brutal. The students have done the work from before, it;s still tremendous amounts of detail to get it into the precise form the college requests, and they all differ. Sending a music tape, a booklet of slides, stories written to the prompts the colleges request isn't easy at all.
So just add on a third more if the child is working for a Creative Arts anything.</p></li>
<li><p>My sons found it very challenging to say personally revealing things about themselves so the AdCom's would "know" them. They just weren't comfortable with it, and many drafts were done until they sounded like the people they were and not robotic. My D's writer's voice is very clear and she's used to sharing from her heart and mind together, so the essays weren't as hard for her to generate as for her brothers. What happened is the boys would come to us with the essays, and we'd read them and say, "Okay but it isn't really "you" yet..." so they had to go back and dig in a bit deeper. Many redrafts.</p></li>
<li><p>Although some say you can use short answers over and over, I do not agree. The colleges that only want a Common Application is one story, but if they have any supplemental forms I thinnk they are designed to force a kid to say something new, just for them.
At the very least, the 3-4 questions each school asks cause the kid to have to rearrange the information, so careful composing is important each time. One school might ask, "What is your greatest academic strength and weakness, and how do you address each?" or some such, but another asks, "Pick one example where you showed a courageous response to a challenge" and that's a slightly different approach. If you try to cut a corner and just copy one into the other, I think it jumps out as "COPY" to the AdCom and seems that you care less than the ap right underneath who actually answered in a focussed way.</p></li>
<li><p>There is a CC threads on "how many applications did you submit...?" or similar wording, with a graph. </p></li>
<li><p>By application #5 out of the 8 our youngest submitted, he was indeed using one essay he had written for purposes of the Common Application completely; but it seemed that he ended up with 4 or 5 full essays and chose
two to fit each application. He didn't start out writing this many; he began writing as he did each application. But finally by #5 he saw he could reuse one, and that was the first efficiency he could use to good effect.</p></li>
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<p>Hmmm, you really do have to add on all those hours spent staring off into space while "thinking". After all, they were part of the writing process.</p>

<p>It is pretty difficult for a parent to distinguish between thinking and procrastinating/daydreaming. </p>

<p>I would also stress the need to start early on the process. Many kids think this is something that should be done during the holiday period. In addition to the distractions, many deadlines may be much earlier.</p>

<p>My D thought of starting that proccess sometime around midsummer; but now her summer came out to become extremely busy untill mid-August. Which is, probably good for her college apps content (summer activities might be used as some of the "hooks"); but now I worry - how will she manage to do it all by the deadlines.</p>

<p>I wonder, how people, who spend their summer-before-senior-year doing something "meaningfull"/"useful" (volounteering, working, taking classes, going to prolonged summer programs etc.), then taking challenging courseload and doing impressive ECs during the senior year, - how they manage to complete all there applications on time? </p>

<p>I'd like to know, when you guys (or your kids) started that dreaded proccess - in the beginning of the summer, mid-summer, in September? :-)</p>

<p>Actually, I think she should cut back on ECs during senior year. If she can't put in the time during the summer to firm up her college list, she'll need to spend some time every weekend thinking about college. And it can be a very emotional process; allow for long periods of indecision and/or procrastination, even in a student that has been 100% reliable until senior year.</p>

<p>No, don't cut back on summer activities due to the application process. My D did not get serious until well into October.</p>

<p>OP, I hope you'll factor in your knowledge of your kid and how your own household works, obviously. My kids are the kind who "work well under pressure" and consolidate their thoughts best at the end of a process. They are not unnerved by the hour drawing nearer, and I have worked that way myself most of my life.
^ Wow that was the biggest "spin" I've ever read about procrastination ;)</p>

<p>But not all families can tolerate working that way. Each of my kids has chosen girlfriends and boyfriends who are the opposite, meaning more logical/scientific/organized but less intuitive/creative, so I'll defend both styles. Some families (not ours) seem to organize all the main points of any complex process at the beginning and then pursue their hypotheses and narrow the focus until there's a conclusion. Sometimes I'm in awe of that, admiring their early starts. Other times I stand up for our way because it's more exploratory and sometimes includes good surprises along the way. In both cases, the outcomes are fine.</p>

<p>Our public schools start after Labor Day. Here, the actual writing didn't get serious until after 3rd week of September, as soon as they were settled into their course routines for senior year and our major fall religious holidays were done. Visits to some campuses were still a big scheduling factor for many autumn weekends of senior year, too. These can be helpful, though, for conversing with each child, away from a busy household, about how s/he is thinking and feeling (don't forget feelings!) about the whole process. </p>

<p>For us, summer was used to collect the applications, figure out the differing deadlines and chart all that, website research on different places. It's still fine to tweak the list; it isn't sacred. Sometimes what you learn along the way causes you to add or delete a school from your list, and that's fine.</p>

<p>You say your D is very busy until mid-August. What I would do is just plenty of organizing the pieces and parts during the summer, without writing, because the writing might not come out well when she's in summer mode. Let her experience that. It'll be maturing, anyway. Also, cruise the 'net a lot and share perceptions about the various colleges as they describe themselves. Pin down from the 'net what each school's department offers by looking at course catalogues; in other words, get into some detail on the net about each school. And enjoy looking at all the "shiny pictures" as my D calls them. </p>

<p>Tell her that during the last two weeks of August, you'll both spend a few evenings that week laying it all out together -- what needs to be written for whom; where there might be overlaps, making sure she still likes the list, etc.
Also, if there are details that only you need to tend to, such as travel plans for visits, motel reservations, tour times, etc. I believe that's a good thing for the parent to just handle solo without driving the kid crazy. They don't really care where they'll stay or how many miles it'll be. </p>

<p>Then try to keep an August week that's totally relaxing before school cranks up again.</p>

<p>Part of me wants to tell you to take that deep breath and believe that, while it is going to be a busy year, you will be able to juggle and manage this. If you start now claiming it can be positive and is an example of what college itself is like -- juggling many responsibilities against time -- but positively, not dragon-like on that topic, then it can be shared as a learning experience, too.</p>

<p>CC helps so much, especially when you think you're going crazy and you find out hundreds of others are on the same page, or were and didn't go crazy.</p>