How to find colleges without partying atmosphere and with predominantly serious students?

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<p><a href=“https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=NY”>https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=NY&lt;/a&gt; indicates that underage possession under parental supervision is not illegal, nor is underage consumption. If that site is accurate (check the actual laws), then you may want to have him try under your supervision so that he can know his limits, rather than have his first alcohol experience as a naive first semester frosh at a fraternity party.</p>

<p>If you record video of what he is like while drunk, and he does not remember the experience while seeing the video (while suffering a hangover), he may be more careful about alcohol in college/fraternity situations.</p>

<p>ucbalum, I believe that it is legal for parents to serve underage minors in their home. I know that some people do this, even for their kid’s friends (not legal). We usually have Thanksgiving with a family down the street. Last Thanksgiving, someone gave DS a glass of wine. He probably asked for it, he has too much interest in alcohol for my taste. I don’t know who it was, he wouldn’t tell me, but I was not happy about it. This family doesn’t have any substance abuse problems. My extended family of origin has a high incidence of alcoholism, probably at least 40%. So I don’t know if it would be better to allow him to drink in our house. I’m worried that this would sabotage the message I want him to get, that he should not drink until he’s 21. </p>

<p>We drink very minimally. Last weekend we were at a wedding, at a function hall, really over-the-top in terms of lavish menu and very open bar. To their credit, they did not offer DS any liquor (at cocktail hour waiters were circulating with trays of drinks; they offered me water or a couple of specialty drinks, they only offered DS water). But I was appalled at how they were pushing alcohol on the adult guests. We were seated at a table with two couples. There was a waitress working only at our table of 8, very attentive. At the beginning of dinner, she asked everyone what they would like from the bar. We all said nothing, then she asked DS if he wanted a Shirley Temple. He said yes. The other 4 people at the table all ordered beer or alcoholic drinks. I noticed that the waitress kept replacing the drinks as fast as they were drunk, faster, really. Sometimes the glasses weren’t empty before she brought a new one and took away the old one. Sometimes she replaced the drinks when the people weren’t even at the table. She never asked. I thought that maybe they’d told her to keep the drinks coming. But I realized that she did this with DS, too. He had 4 Shirley Temples before I told her to stop bringing them. I didn’t count, but the other adults had at least 8-10 drinks each. There were also 2 open bottles of wine on the table. They drank some wine, too.</p>

<p>I didn’t drink at all except a small amount of champagne during the toast. DS asked to taste my champagne, and I let him. although it was a gulp instead of a sip. The wedding was not very enjoyable for us, as there was a DJ and constant, loud music, with short lulls only for the cake cutting, toast, etc. It was impossible to talk even to the person next to you without speaking right into his ear, and impossible to talk to anyone across the table. The people there seemed very nice, from the limited conversation we were able to have. They were all completely drunk at the end of the evening. We had to drive 90 minutes to get home, they lived even farther away. DS mentioned that they were all drunk, I told him that they were very irresponsible and I was concerned that they would be on the roads. I told him that I drank only minimally if I was going to be driving, I think the function hall management must push drinks on people to increase the bill; if so, it’s criminal, both because they were sending drunk drivers out on the roads, and because the people having the wedding are not well off. The bride is our long-time housecleaner/babysitter. She makes a very good hourly rate, $25/hour, but her husband is a day labor, undocumented. She wanted to sign up for Obamacare but couldn’t afford it. Yet they spent thousands on this elaborate wedding.</p>

<p>It’s hard to know how to teach DS to navigate the complicated drug and alcohol landscape. Sorry for this tome.</p>

<p>I’ve heard of Davidson, and it sounds great! I’ll look into it. I hadn’t heard of New College of Florida before this thread - thanks for the suggestion. I’ll look into that one as well. </p>

<p>NYMomof2, I think it’s unrealistic to think that your son won’t drink until he is 21. “Just say no” is just not an effective strategy to protect kids going off to college. IMHO.</p>

<p>I used a wedding in the exact opposite way from NYMom. Son had just turned 15 and we were at a family wedding. His cousins, who are all older than him, keep getting him drinks (was fine with me.) Needless to say he had a bit too much and too much mixing of different drinks. On the long ride home (2+ hours) he didn’t feel so well. He got a pretty good idea what’s it’s like to drink too much and how crummy you can end up feeling. </p>

<p>We also have offered him a glass of wine/beer at dinner - if we were having some - since about the same time. It was part of teaching him how to drink responsibly. </p>

<p>What I would be afraid of, if I was NYMom, is that the kid is going to go off to college and at first opportunity (like move in night) get completely wasted. </p>

<p>It’s also possible her kid already drinks. I have a friend who swore up and down her kid didn’t drink but everyone else knew this was far from true. </p>

<p>You can find people who don’t party at almost any school. Even at Penn I had a significant number of friends who didn’t really go to big parties (they preferred to just hang out with a small group). If your son wants a school with less of a partying culture, UChicago or Caltech would be great. Not as sure about Swarthmore though since I have heard they do party and if this is the case, it is much harder to find people like you since it is much smaller.</p>

<p>It sounds like your son is interested in science and might be interested in MIT, however I do know they party quite a bit there (although I am sure there are kids who don’t).</p>

<p>@cobrat, I would not recommend Reed by any stretch. There is a huge drug culture there, including hard drugs like LSD, shrooms, and I think even heroin. My friend wanted to go there, but like the OP is not a partier and was very turned off when the students told her about an LSD room at Renfair.</p>

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<p>If he is interested in trying alcohol, long distance parental rules are unlikely to stop him from trying it while away in college. Those college students who abstain are likely the ones who will continue to abstain after turning 21.</p>

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<p>… and then make bad decisions on other matters like sex, car driving, etc…</p>

<p>Well, I think you need to know your child. Most don’t magically transform into someone else on move-in night, either. If that happens chances are the parent didn’t really understand what was going on with the kid in the first place which amazingly to me seems to be the situation in many families.</p>

<p>Definitely think Bates, Grinnell, Macalester and New College would be worth checking out for your son, based on your description of him, assuming he’s okay with attending a smaller school. Is a place like Geneseo a possibility? Sounds so great on paper to me! And has anybody mentioned Whitman in Walla Walla, WA? </p>

<p>Re Bates - the kids drink and party on the weekends - not so much during the week. </p>

<p>The dining would be just up this student’s alley. The vegan bar is fantastic. My kid isn’t vegan but at school that is mostly what he eats. </p>

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<p>Unless things have changed greatly within the last few years, Geneseo isn’t well known for their strengths in the Sciences. </p>

<p>For SUNY schools, students with a STEM bent tend to apply mostly to SUNY schools like Stonybrook or Buffalo where they have rigorous STEM programs. </p>

<p>Shrooms and LSD are not hard drugs.</p>

<p>If you are going to tour Rochester, I would also tour Geneseo. While know as the SUNY elite liberal arts school, they are also strong in science but not as STEM oriented as Binghamton, Buffalo and Stony Brook. I think that you need to have several options on the table in terms of location, size of school, vibe, etc. Older d who graduated from Brandeis also applied and was accepted at Rochester, but Brandeis a better fit. She had equal merit package from each school. </p>

<p>For what it’s worth I have a close friend whose niece recently dropped out of Wesleyan after transferring from Wash U as it seemed like the perfect fit for her academically and size of the school. Her reason… not enough students who wanted to sit around have intellectual discussions. Same as with Wash U. I also maintain that sometimes it takes time to find the right group of people and that your expectations don’t necessarily happen within the first semester freshman year.</p>

<p>I remember lots of sitting around having intellectual discussions and attending poetry readings and speakers on campus…and I went to a SUNY school with a pretty strong party reputation. I was so naïve when I went to school in the dark ages, I really didn’t know that going to bars and getting drunk was something people chose to do as a fun evening out.</p>

<p>I don’t know anything about UPitt’s party scene, but it’s strong in the sciences and has one of the best philosophy departments in the US if he’s interested in taking ethics courses, etc. Pittsburgh is a nice city and there’s stuff to do off campus. I have no personal familiarity with it–just know that it’s a favorite match/safety school for NYC sci high kids. </p>

<p>@Poeme, actually caltech has pretty amazing parties. <a href=“Two months of work for five hours of fun - Caltech”>Caltech; :D</p>

<p>Not your typical frat parties though. I know a few people who go/went there and they complained about that.</p>

<p>I always take comments from parents saying their children are not party goers with a grain of salt, as I think some indulge in wishful thinking. But this young man certainly sounds like he would hate a big state party school!</p>

<p>It will be interesting to see where your son decides to consider, apply, get accepted and then attend. Remember it is ultimately his decision. By now you have many good options to suggest to him to get him started. Let us know what happens, please.</p>

<p>A couple ideas about housing options. Both revolve around trying to avoid freshman only housing … ( all frosh housing = the ultimate set-up for having to work around the puke in the hallway on weekend nights). Having the frosh mixed in with older students can help temper the frosh tendency to overdo things when they first get to college.</p>

<p>First, check out schools with residential colleges … where there is a mix of students across all years … and they can have a stable living arrangement throughout their time in school. Your son sounds like he might like the community of residential colleges.</p>

<p>Second, mixed class dorms. There is A LOT of variation of how many non-freshman live in dorms from school to school … and some schools have a fair number of dorms with frosh and older kids. Alternatively, your son could request to be in a dorm with all older students … however, socially having other frosh around is very beneficial.</p>