<p>Rank School</p>
<h1>18 Princeton</h1>
<p>32 Harvard
33 Cornell
34 Penn
42 Columbia
45 Yale
47 Dartmouth</p>
<h1>73 Brown</h1>
<p>These are the D1 2007 final rankings for field hockey; Princeton was the top Ivy, ranking 18th in D1. Brown was worst, at #73. Your best bet would be to contact the coach at Brown. They need the most help. They went 1-16 last fall.</p>
<p>Newjack88 : "My experience has been totally different. All my peers who are attending top schools just did stuff and did well in school because they felt like it and they could."</p>
<p>We might be living in different world altogether, I've not come across a single person who have take all AP classes just becuase they wanted to do stuff. </p>
<p>There are very few people who can get straight As in all subject without working hard for it. It is against natural instinct to be equally good at Humanities, Science, and Mathematics.</p>
<p>If you believe it then you just don't understand anything about human mind.</p>
<p>Newjack88 : So now you are trying to say that it might be helpful for her to play field hockey for a club team even if she doesn't get recruited as D1 athelete.</p>
<p>That is the type of information I was looking for. I know there will be lots of students with stats similar to my D but if every other activity can add to tie breakers then it is nice to have it.</p>
<p>"I've not come across a single person who have take all AP classes just becuase they wanted to do stuff. </p>
<p>There are very few people who can get straight As in all subject without working hard for it. It is against natural instinct to be equally good at Humanities, Science, and Mathematics."</p>
<p>Well I disagree with both of these statements.</p>
<p>collegealum314: Then maybe I've not seen those super kids that often.</p>
<p>Science is against you in that case. I'll try to dig up research that will provide you statistics against it.</p>
<p>Last time I talked to Caltech students it is extremely hard for those to do any activity other than studies.</p>
<p>strange to say, but I agree with poih on this one- there are some naturaly smart people in all areas of academia, but most excel in one area or another naturally and do indeed have to work harder in another</p>
<p>I know few kids who are math whizzes who have an equally easy time with history- sure they can do well, but they do have to work at it</p>
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That is the type of information I was looking for. I know there will be lots of students with stats similar to my D but if every other activity can add to tie breakers then it is nice to have it.
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But your daughter should do it if she likes it. Also, you seem to be getting so involved in your daughter's decisions that if she does or does not make it into an Ivy League school it will be your doing not hers. Just something to think about...</p>
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There are very few people who can get straight As in all subject without working hard for it. It is against natural instinct to be equally good at Humanities, Science, and Mathematics.
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I disagree with yours and citygirlsmom's attitude on this. I think that you both have a somewhat twisted version of "working hard." Your version is based off of grades whereas my version is based off of actual improvement. Also, most kids who are actually intelligent tend to do well in all subject areas. The kids who are the "grinder" types who are not really all that intelligent but who appear to be simply because they study, have parents who whine to teachers about grades, cheat by studying old tests or trying to get unfair advantages, etc. are the kids you and citygirlsmom are talking about.</p>
<p>Newjack88: I think you got it wrong, the people who grind get straight As in all subject at high school whether or not they are intelligent.
I think we are talking about intelligent people who don't grind and it comes natural to these kids. But this natural instinct works only in limited area and not across the board. </p>
<p>So if these intelligent kids stretch to other areas then they are playing the game otherwise they should be happy with their natural instincts to score couple of B's or C's in that area.</p>
<p>The grinder one are playing the game to begin with by grinding thru all the subjects and tests.</p>
<p>As a parent of an Ivy athlete ... if your D isn't totally into her sport, the coaches will see right through that and you'll lose your athletic hook. The coach only has a finite number of recruiting tickets to burn and wants to use them to get the right players in the door. </p>
<p>As an example: my son works out one way or another 365 days a year -- and practices/plays 6 days a week in season. Out of season, but during the academic year, he's involved with the team almost every day either meetings, working out, captain's practices, small group practices. He lives, eats, sleeps, dreams his sport. The rest of the guys on the team are very similar. Of course, as Ivy athletes, they are all reasonably bright and all study hard. Staying eligible is important, and beyond that, there's a team academic average that they need to contribute to.</p>
<p>Our little high school is BIG in field hockey. I was happy to see Princeton did well this year because one of our graduates is a freshman there and plays f.h. for them. We also have two at Northwestern. How do I think they got there? It was a lot of hard work. Girls start playing here in the summer after 3rd grade. We have an actual team beginning in junior high. Almost all the teams we play are between 1-3 hours away. Many of the girls play on a club team which means commuting an hour north, into Michigan. They will also spend school breaks traveling to tournaments. But it's not all athletic talent. To get into these good schools, you have to have brains, too. Our Princeton player had a 3.9/4.0 GPA and a 35 on the ACT.</p>
<p>IvyHope,
My D has girlfriends who are serious athletes, who have been playing sports for years. These girls, some of whom as seniors now are recruited to play in ivy league and other schools, devote many hours per day on their sport. They are athletes who are playing a sport not simply to get into a particular college, but because they actually love playing the sport. They have been team captains, have varsity letters, all while maintaining maintain high academic standards. Participating in sport teams is intense, in that athletes must balance the demands of their sport while at the same time maintaining high academic standards and managing injuries. </p>
<p>Most students who college coaches are interested in have at least played for their high school varsity teams, and some are multiple-season athletes, playing more than one sport. Someone as a junior who is only playing at the club level is not likely to be noticed by any ivy league coach. </p>
<p>My D herself has played played varsity tennis for years, and is headed to an ivy next year. While she was not a recruited athlete, I must say that the tennis, as well as her participation for years in varsity track, probably did enhance her application. However, her participation in sports was due to genuine interest and love of sport, not merely to get into an ivy school.</p>
<p>cnp55 : That means not all members of the team get recruited thru team coach, then that means it will be advantageous to people who make the cut otherwise to have this on their application so that they may get the tie breakers.</p>
<p>toledo: I don't think my D lacks in academia and I'm just looking for additional hooks. If by joining the FH club over summer will add some more weight to her application.</p>
<p>ParentOfIvyHope: You have already started 42 threads on strategies to get into ivies. If you look at the stats next to other posters' names, you'll see that most posters do not start that many threads about a topic that has already been exhausted on this forum. Perhaps if you spent some time using the search function on this site and reading past posts you would learn a lot and be able to ask more answerable questions than those about "leveraging" your daughter's application with a sport her school doesn't offer and applying with a major she doesn't want to study.</p>
<p>dabost: My D's interests in FH are genuine but sadly the high school never had the team. She dropped the club team as it got closed for lacks of funds.
After she informed us of the Ivies women FH teams and told that she would love to play their we thought it might be better for her to start playing for club team again.
So now I was looking for information on how one can play for Ivies team even if they are not recruited athelete.
And if playing the club team over summer will provide her any leverage into the admissions.</p>
<p>dntw8up: There are still 8 - 9 more months to go before the deadline for the application so there will be more threads, if you think it is waste of your time then you can just pass on it.</p>
<p>You must have noticed a large gap between my last posting and these new threads as I was searching for most of the information.</p>
<p>I post stuff only if I want clear cut answer to my D particular situation.</p>
<p>D needs a reallity check here...if she thinks she can play FH at an ivy after not playing, etc, she needs to think again</p>
<p>sure, some make teams as walk-ons, but those people have excelled in their sport</p>
<p>why not just play it to play it, and maybe she can find some club sport to play in college</p>
<p>my D played some soccer in HS, and no interest in college sports, but found intermurual teams and had a blast</p>
<p>I just wonder about the D- seriouslly, does she have a clue?</p>
<p>Not to be rude, but, Oh looky, they have FH at all the Ivys, I wanna play for them!!! I haven't played in forever, but I wanta play for them!!! I don't think D really understands what college is all about, to be honest...</p>
<p>That is how this is coming across</p>
<p>IvyHope: Just a suggestion (after having skimmed several of your recent threads) - why not let your daughter post on CC herself?</p>
<p>That way users can be sure they're truly helping an eager collegebound student (however misguided her opinions about ivies, etc may be) rather than her bumper sticker-hungry parents.</p>
<p>IvyHope,
I don't think playing for a club team over the summer would have much of an effect on your D's application unless she will be playing for a well-known elite travelling team. Also, she will probably need more than one summer of play to get noticed by a college coach. If she can show prolonged interest in FH by playing consistently on a team for several seasons, that can possibly enhance her app.</p>
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I think we are talking about intelligent people who don't grind and it comes natural to these kids. But this natural instinct works only in limited area and not across the board.
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Why would a student who is actually intelligent ever have to "grind" to achieve success? I'm not saying that kids who "grind" are not intelligent. I am, however, saying that they are not as smart as the kid who just naturally are able to succeed academically.</p>