How to get into a top MBA program

<p>I'm currently a high school senior planing on attending either UC Davis, UCSB, or UCSD next year. My major is Managerial Economics, Business Economics, or Management Science: all the same only spelled differently depending on the UC. </p>

<p>Everytime I check out the MBA programs at schools such as Berkeley, USC, UCLA, etc. I see that they all have very low acceptance rates (around 20%.) Are these rates so low due to many underqualified applicants, or is it flat out that hard to get into a top MBA program?</p>

<p>Basically, what do I need to do for 4 years in college and what work experience will I need after I graduate college? My goal is to attend Berkeley-Haas, UCLA-Anderson, Michigan-Ross, or USC-Marshall. How can I make this happen? Thanks.</p>

<p>Anyone with any experience: please post!!!</p>

<p>What do you need to do to get into Harvard/Stanford/Wharton/Sloan/Kellogg/Tuck/Berkeley-Haas category? How about UMich-Ross, Duke, UCLA, NYU-Stern, Cornell, or USC-Marshall?</p>

<p>Thanks a lot!!!</p>

<p>It's mostly about getting strong work experience and demonstrating strong leadership and managerial potential, or even better, strong leadership/managerial experience. Also, having a strong interview, which means demonstrating strong interview skills. Of secondary value are your rec's and your essays. Lastly would be your grades and your GMAT.</p>

<p>As for why the admit rates are so 'low', first of all, I don't think they're that low. Admit rates to elite law and med-schools (especially med-schools) tend to be significantly lower. Secondly, a lot of it has to do with the randomness of the B-school admit process. For example, law school admissions are quite numbers-based, in that you should know from your grades and your LSAT score approximately where you will get in. PhD admissions are also fairly predictable. B-school admissions, however, can be all over the map. For example, I've known people who have gotten admitted to the elite MIT Sloan LFM program and the Kellogg MMM program (the dual-degree MBA/MS programs at these schools), and to Wharton, but got rejected from, say, the Yale School of Management. A lot of people at the top B-schools will confess that they honestly don't really understand how or why they were admitted. That's why people tend to take a shotgun approach to admissions, which has the effect of lowering the admit rates.</p>

<p>If you want numbers, you can go to each school's website and they'll usually post a class profile that includes average undergrad GPA, GMAT score, and years of work experience. They'll usually also give a 25-75%ile range, which is where you want to fall.</p>

<p>If you want numbers, you can go to each school's website and they'll usually post a class profile that includes average undergrad GPA, GMAT score, and years of work experience. They'll usually also give a 25-75%ile range, which is where you want to fall.</p>

<p>Thanks sakky and alicantekid. Interesting point that grades and GMAT are of least value. Which creates another question: </p>

<p>What exactly is the GMAT? Is it SAT-like (verbal/math/essay) or more business based questions? Since experience, leadership qualities, letter of rec, and interview are more important than GPA/GMAT, what would be a competitive, 25-75% range GMAT score for the MBA programs I listed? </p>

<p>Thanks for your time.</p>

<p>I was thinking about applying for an MBA as well but the top programs really really want work experience. At least two years of full-time employment, though it wouldn't hurt ot have more. I would reccomend doing your best in school and trying to get internships and hopefully from those internships you can get an offer for full-time employment upon graduating. Then, work there for a few years and then make your app to MBA programs. You'd be more likely to get accepted and the experience wold be helpful when you start classes.</p>

<p>The GMAT is a general skills test that you need to take to get into graduate schools for business degrees. I don't know what a good score would be so maybe someone else can chime in on that.</p>

<p>Have you ever considered Northeastern? They have a good co-op program and they also have excellent job placement.</p>

<p>well what kind of work experience do these top b-schools want! </p>

<p>i mean what is an ideal job for an applicant applying to top business schools? anybody know/can give me examples of great jobs that would impress the admissions committee?</p>

<p>wouldn't it be easy for someone to work in some company and act as if they are doing a large part/really learning and gaining experience by writing an awesome essay or something???!</p>

<p>Here are my qualifications (I have not yet taken a GMAT):</p>

<p>EDUCATION
Hofstra University Honors College, Hempstead, NY 2008 - present
Accepted into the Zarb School of Business and Honors Program; currently a candidate for a Bachelor of Business Administration degree in Finance and a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Economics – Class of 2011
 Cumulative GPA- 3.85/4.00- Dean’s List
 Business GPA- 3.96/4.00
Chaminade High School, Mineola, NY 2004 - 2008
 Cumulative Average: 94.6 / Rank: 31 of 400</p>

<p>Recognition:
 Selected for Chaminade Collegiate Program in senior year, earning 37 credits from Long Island University Senior Year
 Scholarships: Hofstra University’s Presidential Scholarship
 Provost Scholar-Achieved 4.0 GPA in a given semester in Hofstra’s Honors Program
 Dean’s List with 3.85 Cumulative GPA in Hofstra’s Honors Program
 Chosen to be a member of the Golden Key International Honour Society </p>

<p>EXPERIENCE</p>

<p>iL Ferra Clothing Co. ([iL</a> Ferra Clothing Co.-A Company Designed and Modeled by its Fans!](<a href=“http://www.ilferraclothing.com%5DiL”>http://www.ilferraclothing.com)), Rockville Centre, NY September 2008-Present
 Founder and owner of a skateboard clothing and apparel company
 Created an innovative company that allows its fans to design and model the company
 Interacted and established relationships with some of the largest manufacturers and distributors of clothing and apparel in New York City (i.e. Harvic International LTD.)</p>

<p>Cat Construction Corp., Rockville Centre, NY 2003 – Present
 Assistant project manager and personnel officer
 Established the accounting and financial infrastructure
 Developed policies and procedures for budgeting and minimizing costs in order to maximize profits
 Constructed PERT charts to improve the planning, scheduling and reporting of construction projects</p>

<p>Heroes of Baseball Wax Museum, Cooperstown, NY Summers of 2003-2009
 Manager of the wax museum and gift shop
 Conducted break-even analyses on all inventory to determine volume profitability
 Created an online website that generated higher revenue and profits</p>

<p>Westbury Beach Club, Atlantic Beach, NY July 2007- September 2007
 Employed as a cabana boy and waiter
 Developed strong customer service skills</p>

<p>SKILLS
 Proficient with computers; training in Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, and Microsoft Excel
 Effective Leadership (Cat Construction Corp., Wax Museum, iL Ferra Clothing Co.)
 Strong oral communication skills (Cat Construction Corp., Westbury Beach Club, Wax Museum)
 Proven customer service skills (Westbury Beach Club, Wax Museum, iL Ferra Clothing Co.)
 Team player (Westbury Beach Club, Cat Construction Corp., Wax Museum)
 Personable (Westbury Beach Club, Wax Museum, iL Ferra Clothing Co.) </p>

<p>Just wondering if I have a good foundation of work experience and leadership qualities that MBA programs are looking for. I intend on getting an MBA in Finance and I plan on interning for an Investment Banking firm this summer!</p>

<p>(Thank you in advance for your answers, insights and suggestions!)</p>

<p>^ You need to take a practice or actual GMAT.</p>

<p>If our GPA’s are not competitive, how can we counterbalance it to gain admission at a top program? Obviously, work experience counts, but so does gpa. So, how much effect does creating an alternative transcript at a local university in quant/business courses (and how many classes) and excelling in them would offset or help overlook the gpa?</p>

<p>I know a high gmat can be great but I’m talking strictly GPA here.</p>

<p>GPA-wise is there anything you can do to really increase your chances? Anything?</p>

<p>Correct me if I’m wrong, but a high GPA is always going to attract top MBA programs and count more than anything along with gmat?</p>

<p>If you’re talking about top schools, GMAT actually is important, since if you want decent odds of admission you want to at least be in the sweet spot for applicants to that program. For top-level programs that’s likely above 720 or 730 – the higher the better. </p>

<p>But this is not an absolute minimum, nor is there a set of numbers – GPA + GMAT – that makes you automatically credible. A super high GMAT combined with mediocre grades can mark you as bright but not an achiever. Super high grades combined with a mediocre GMAT (under 700, perhaps) may spark some concern about the quality of your training (or about you being a hard-working plodder who gets good grades but isn’t all that bright).</p>

<p>As has been mentioned, in addition to GPA and GMAT your work experience and your career trajectory (and “story” as you would tell about it in your essays, fortified a bit by letters of recommendation), matter a lot to getting to the critical stage of the admissions process: an invitation to interview. After that point the interview definitely comes into play but everything else (GPA, GMAT, essays, letters, work experience) matters for whether you get invited to the interview in the first place; but from among those interviewed, your chances are likely to be determined mainly by the quality of your interview. </p>

<p>However, the interview itself may address some questions that you mentioned or failed to mention in your essays, or perhaps some issues related to your “fit” and real interests relative to the particular program’s foci. Say your undergrad major is not typical for future MBA study (e.g., you majored in art or theater or English), then how you are able to articulate your “fit” for an MBA – and for each particular program to which you apply – will matter both to your getting invited for an interview and what the interviewer might focus on. </p>

<p>Among those invited for interviews, those who are able to articulate and explain how their specific work experiences and achievements qualify them for the particular program will have the better chance for success. They need to be able to translate their work experience and their formal training (undergrad or post-graduate studies) into a plausible picture of their readiness for the MBA program and the contribution that they might make to their cohort of co-admittees (their “class”). Say you’re interested in a program that has a special focus on sustainable business, what is there in your undergraduate study or your work experience that lays a background for this focus? If you state that as a career interest, how can you persuade the interviewer that you know what such a career might involve?</p>

<p>Can you do anything to improve your chances if your undergrad GPA is on the low side? Yes you may be able to do that, for example by taking additional foundational courses, perhaps in statistics, math, or economics, if those are weaker parts of your transcript. This will not necessarily contribute to a stronger GMAT but it could show your commitment and readiness for MBA study.</p>

<p>Can you overcome mediocre GMAT’s (but still with a good to strong GPA)? Yes if your career path, experience, leadership, and work/career achievements mark you as distinctive and promising. But if you look at the statistics on various dsicussion boards you will see that your odds of admission drop off dramatically if your GMAT is much (say, 30 points) below the sweet spot or median for the particular MBA program.</p>

<p>Having said that, one thing to stress is that while the numbers do matter, admissions is more than a numbers game. As others have noted, this is not law school admissions.</p>

<p>The OP is talking good, but not the very top schools. They very top (HWS etc.) want good everything, the next level has some sway. So if you have a 700/3.4 but accomplished something in 4 years on the job, Haas is doable. Stanford will want you to be highly accomplished on the job and a higher score would help a lot.</p>