<p>Excuse me for caring only about the money but how would the Democrat's health care policies affect physician's salaries?</p>
<p>And would the affects be different for private practice doctors, hospital residents, etc.?</p>
<p><em>gets ready for the "don't go into medicine for the money" lectures</em></p>
<p>Seriously though, don't. It's not like it's that much money anyway.</p>
<p>It's easy enough to tell: look at other countries where they have similar plans. Doctors' salaries are a LOT lower. </p>
<p>I don't want it to seem like that's the only thing that matters,
if I really cared about the money, I would look into investment banking or corporate finance. In the end, doctors have to sacrifice additional years of education, long work hours, and other things that make the "money" a silly thing to go into medicine for.</p>
<p>But then again, I'm interested in how these health care policies could affect the lives of doctors. Thanks bluedevilmike for your reply.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that relative to everyone else you'll still be better off than most and that everyone no matter their profession will take home less money since taxes will be higher for everyone.</p>
<p>It is actually much higher,but you will work longer hours and see more patients.</p>
<p>Dude, compare US physician salaries to Canadian ones. It's not even close.</p>
<p>It's essentially guaranteed that salaries will go down, if not in absolute terms then certainly in relative terms over time (eg adjusted for inflation and relative to other jobs). </p>
<p>There are a lot uncertainties about the future of universal healthcare in the US, although a few things that are certain is that the problem isn't going away anytime soon and any solution will require a lot of money to come from somewhere... one source will be taxes and another will have to be cost cutting in the 'system' with salaries being the easiest and first place where money can be saved.</p>
<p>Private elective medicine (cosmetic stuff, boob jobs) probably won't be effected that much in terms of salaries because they're largely out of 'the system'. </p>
<p>I imagine we might eventually see government subsidies for medical school as part of an eventual healthcare package in order to make up for the negative pressure on salaries, although I've never really heard anything seriously discussed from any politicians as of yet. </p>
<p>The medical profession will still certainly be well paid relative to the general workforce, but you're not going to get rich. It will pay well, but considering the amount of education it takes to get there, hours worked, strain on family and relationships, dealing with the ever increasing level of red tape and bureaucracy it really doesn't pay THAT well. If you're not willing to do the work for free, then you probably should be doing something else. </p>
<p>You only need to read some of the earlier posts by current physicians on these forum threads to see that negative salary pressures are occurring now with the private HMOs... </p>
<p>I'll spare the whole "if your going into medicine because you think you'll get a lot of money then you'll be gravely disappointed" comments since that's already been previously discussed to death.</p>
<p>But the average UK salary is really high.</p>
<p>I'll print out this page and eat it if UK docs make more than US docs.</p>
<p>BDM-</p>
<p>In 2005, the NHS(Britain's National Health Service) changed British physician's compensation. They now earn more, on average, than U.S. family physicians/internists. </p>
<p>Although the U.S. media continues to cite the 2001 British physician compensation statistics, which showed British physician salaries as being much lower than their U.S. counterparts(the purpose of doing so is to lower U.S. physician salaries), those statistics are now outdated. </p>
<p>Yes, it is hard to believe, but it is right off of the NHS web site.</p>
<p>From the NHS web site:</p>
<p>"General practitioners
Many general practitioners (GPs) are self employed and hold contracts, either on their own or as part of a partnership, with their local primary care trust (PCT). The profit of GPs varies according to the services they provide for their patients and the way they choose to provide these services. Most GPs would expect to earn between £80,000 and £120,000."</p>
<p>Source: Pay</a> for doctors - NHS Careers</p>
<p>Not bad, considering Medical School tuition is subsidized and Junior Doctors(the equivalent of U.S. medical residents) make $64,000 USD during their first year! This salaries continues to increase as well, with second year Junior Doctors making around $80,000 USD. </p>
<p>"Junior doctors
Junior doctors earn a basic salary and will usually be paid a supplement. This supplement is based on the extra hours worked above a 40 hour standard working week and the intensity of the work. The most common banding supplement is 50% of basic salary. In the most junior hospital doctor post (foundation year 1) a doctor on a 50% supplement would earn £32,793. This increases in the second year (foundation year 2) to £40,674. "</p>
<p>Source: Pay</a> for doctors - NHS Careers</p>
<p>Things really have changed. BDM, print out this page and eat it. :)</p>
<p>DZ, I already owe you half a piece of paper. Rest assured I'll make good. But I think it's probably only half, since I doubt specialists in the UK make more (in fact, I bet they make much less) than docs here in the states.</p>
<p>Universal Health Insurance would greatly change medicine from where it is from a physician's standpoint.</p>
<p>Docs would NOT take call (as they would not be paid), they would not "own" patients as they do in the US, but not in England. </p>
<p>They would be simply shift workers as in any other profession.</p>
<p>They would have more time for their families and life. They would be paid drastically less (Look at salaries at Kaiser (which would also drop due to lack of competition))</p>
<p>universal health insurance should lower the med school enrollments. less enrollments can mean less competition, which is always good for me.</p>
<p>It would lower med school enrollments but it would also dramatically increase the number of foreign trained docs who apply for a residency in the US. Having paid lower or no tution for their medical education, these foreign docs would find the lower salaries paid to doctors in the US acceptable since their ROI would be greater.</p>
<p>Medical school applications might drop, but enrollments would remain constant. </p>
<p>Distinguish between "universal care" and "national health service". The latter certainly would drastically change the entire profession, with lots of people leaving practice altogether, hospitals closing... </p>
<p>Universal care could be done with far more limited government intervention, and without major changes in the structure of the health care system. Massachusetts is creeping in that direction. This might even lead to small increases in physician salaries. It would depend on how it was done.</p>
<p>Oh by the way, I am interested to know or to confirm that the nurse practitioner salary? I am actually be going to Massachusetts in few months and i am not sure this salary listed on this website: [Nurse</a> Practitioner Salary - Healthcare Salary World](<a href=“http://www.healthcaresalaryworld.com/what-is-nurse-practitioner-salary/]Nurse”>Nurse Practitioner Salary - Healthcare Salary World) is per year or monthly? it says: $102,340. can someone here confirm the at least average salary?</p>
<p>Sources: [Nurse</a> Practitioner Salary | Indeed.com](<a href=“http://www.indeed.com/salary/Nurse-Practitioner.html]Nurse”>http://www.indeed.com/salary/Nurse-Practitioner.html)
and [Nurse</a> Practitioner Salary - Healthcare Salary World](<a href=“http://www.healthcaresalaryworld.com/what-is-nurse-practitioner-salary/]Nurse”>Nurse Practitioner Salary - Healthcare Salary World)</p>
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<p>i don’t know how accurate that number is, but that number is definitely an annual salary. The average NP is certainly not making 1.2million/year.</p>
<p>I don’t believe it will change it. YOu might have more “concierge doctors”. My practice about 30% had no insurance nor money and was free care. I would make money.</p>
<p>It might be “good” for medicine by getting those people just interested in the money to go into other fields</p>