<p>Billy - the only data I can find is the number of OOS students who enroll - 6%. I agree, you can’t get acceptance rate from that number.</p>
<p>The only way to get acceptance rate is to know the number of OOS applicants and the number of OOS applicants admitted. All we know from that statement by the dean is that about 10% of the applicants are true OOS students. I am not sure what that means “true”? Does it have something to do with military exceptions? I don’t know.</p>
<p>Anyhow, assuming that 10% of the applicants are OOS, if we know the total number of applicants, and I believe I have read that this year it was about 29,000, we can figure out the number of OOS applicants - approximately 2900.</p>
<p>But we still need to know how many OOS were accepted to know acceptance rate. Knowing the number of enrolled OOS students will not give you the OOS acceptance rate.</p>
<p>I think the reference to “true” out of state applicants was due to the dean’s assessment that UVAorBust was not truly out of state for tuition purposes. And yes, I do believe that there are military exceptions for those from Florida who have been residing in, oh, Afghanistan for a year.</p>
<p>And there isn’t even a way to extrapolate an acceptance rate from the overall yield percentage, as I imagine yield would be quite different for those from out of state.</p>
<p>Regardless, though, it is certainly true that the average out of state student will have a harder time gaining admission to a state university than the average in state student. That’s just the way it works. Just like Americans have better chances for getting into West Point than foreigners do.</p>
<p>Not sure I get this in-state/out-of-state debate. If you are out of state you will be paying a heck of a lot more in tuition. You may be subsidized in regards to the UF plant that was assembled with tax dollars, but certainly you will pay full fare for your education. </p>
<p>Now as to the admission process, I remember the days when UF acceptance was based on who was the smartest (grades,tests) period. Not sure about this holistic method, seems pretty inconsistent just based on those who posted acceptance/rejection on this board. </p>
<p>What softs would a 1100 SAT, 3.5 bring that would outweigh the average softs of a 1300+, 4.0. I’m sure there are situations, but it seems UF may take it to the extreme for some unknown reason.</p>
<p>Lawman - I think holistic is plain and simple a code word for affirmative action. After the SCOTUS U of Michigan decision, they aren’t allowed to come right out and say they are giving racial preferences. So now, they say they have a holistic application process. It is the same damn thing - racial quotas.</p>
<p>HarrietH - I was trying to avoid that subject matter, but I would assume you are correct. UF probably uses pure #'s for 75% of the class and fills in the rest with holistic. Unfortunately, I have dealt with this first hand. My oldest at Chicago law had dominant grades and LSATS. She was admitted with little to no money. Others with far less grades and test scores were given near full rides. At a school like that you are talking 150,000 in loans versus a free ride based on “holistic”. That continues to bother me.</p>
<p>Holistic means not basing everything on GPA/SAT. It’s the idea that an applicant is more than just a stat block. And yes, “Race: African-American” or “Race: White” can be a part of a stat block. No, holistic review is taking everything into account; grades, classes, scores, essays, activities, and the like. But it’s obvious, anyway. If an application asks for those things, then they will be a part of the decision.</p>
<p>Unless you have proof that the University of Florida pursues an affirmative action plan (rare for state schools), then the statement is offensive. It’s not like everyone who got in with lower stats than the OP or his fellows were racial minorities, so if race was the case, why not bump one of the lower-scoring white students? No, it clearly was not something like that. It was likely a combination of things, but I would not include race.</p>
<p>Billy - sorry, buddy, pull your head out of the sand. Let’s look at the FACTS - just look at the threads here. People call it a “hook” to be an URM. Call it whatever you want but it is racism, pure and simple. </p>
<p>All you have to do is look at the GPA/test scores and ethnicities that get posted here to know what is going on. If you aren’t bright enough to figure it out, well that is your problem, but I am.</p>
<p>As for proof, Billy, go ahead and try to get the data from UF. You may be able to under the Sunshine laws, but it is no coincidence that they don’t publish it.</p>
<p>The only thing offensive here is racism and those who support it. YOU Billy are offensive. You FAILED to intimidate me, buddy.</p>
<p>Lawman - it is bothersome. Look at the decision threads here - they call it a “hook” to be black or native american. It is racism; they just call it a hook here and UF calls it holistic.</p>
<p>It is clear that everyone knows what is going on when on the decision threads they ask people to specify their race. If race didn’t matter, why would anyone do that? No one would of course, but the fact that they do is proof that everyone realizes that it matters.</p>
<p>Then you get numbskulls like Billy not only trying to deny what everyone knows is true, but then saying it is offensive. Billy is offensive, not those of us who decry racism.</p>
<p>Up until this recent tirade, you had seemed quite reasonable. A shame.</p>
<p>I fail to see how I attempted to intimidate you or was offensive. Yes, people on this website call it a “hook” to be a racial minority that is underrepresented in universities, and it is, at many institutions. Just because it was on the stat block in this school’s decision forum proves nothing but that it was copied and pasted from another school’s (note the presence of “SAT IIs” “teacher recommendations” and “counselor recommendation” as well).</p>
<p>Lack of evidence is not evidence of some grand plot to keep it away, it merely is a lack of evidence. Nor does it mean that you’re far more intelligent than me because you can “see” it. Many schools publish full demographics data, even if it shows a direct or indirect advantage for some groups.</p>
<p>I feel that the affirmative action system is flawed, and that an adequate replacement would be socio-economic affirmative action. However, I find it offensive to suggest that (1) every school practices affirmative action, (2) the successes of Black, Hispanic, and Native students are somehow worth less, (3) that all these seemingly qualified white students didn’t get in because less qualified minorities stole their spots (as you ignore the less qualified white students also admitted), and (4) that holistic review is merely a code for affirmative action, when it really means putting weight on things like essays and activities to see the whole person.</p>
<p>Is it possible that having the Florida Prepaid hurt UVAorBust? He/she is a student not paying Florida taxes, but also not bringing in much income to the school (because already purchased Florida Prepaid)? Do they ask if the student has Florida Prepaid on the UF application? I hope this is not the case…</p>
<p>I have no problem with giving everyone that applies an equal opportunity for admission. Let’s agree that grades and test scores are a relatively fair baseline for academic ability. After that, it gets quite muddled. I find it hard to believe that any lower scoring applicant writes an essay or has EC’s that totally overwhelm the applicant that had significantly higher scores. Most all applicants are involved in other activities. With that said, what is this holistic approach? A 3.0/1100 writes a compelling essay, and the 4.0/1300 writes a average essay? Does that give the nod to the lower scores? I don’t know and I’m glad I dont have to make that decision. But I can tell you that in the real world, you may not find it as forgiving as admission to UF.</p>
<p>I would just like to say, as for the ‘those who get holistic acceptances are racial minorities’ conversation, that my friend with a 1500 SAT, 4.0UW GPA who got into Harvard was rejected from UF, and she was Hispanic. It’s not necessarily about race, maybe they just want a more well rounded student body.</p>
<p>Floridahopeful, the residency affidavit that the OP filled out would have indicated he had the Florida Prepaid so they would be considered In-State for Tuition purposes.</p>
<p>I’m not sure how these people are treated for admissions purposes. It seems to me he was treated as In-state, but I could be wrong.</p>
<p>My question is whether it is harder to get into UF if the student marks the box that he/she has Florida Prepaid? Are they required to mark the box if they have it? Can they leave it blank? Thanks</p>
<p>If the OP had prepaid while family lived in Florida, but the whole family moved out of state, say more than a year ago, wouldn’t they lose the in-state status? Maybe UF is saying they will honor the tuition contract but still view as OOS. </p>
<p>Sandrock - that is interesting about your friend. I wonder if at some point they might reject super achievers because they figure they wont attend, and mess up their yield. </p>
<p>I like to think UF follows the motto at Hard Rock, “Love All, Feed All”. UF is a great place to go and Im sure all accepted will love it. So much in life is uncertain, I guess some college admissions are too.</p>
<p>Racism is ugly, no matter the direction. Sort of glad my kid won’t be rubbing elbows with you, H. Hopefully, when you get out of that little town that makes Gainesville look like a big city, you will see that your attitude is not shared by the vast majority of educated people in this country.</p>
<p>This has been an interesting thread since my son was also denied at U of F. We also live out of state with a Florida prepaid and were counting on being able to use it. He too has a pretty good resume, 32 ACT, 3.75 UW GPA, Varsity sports, clubs, many volunteer hours, etc. Was offered OOS waiver at Auburn and Presidential Scholarship at Alabama (4 year tuition) + $10,000 from Engineering Dept. Been down there twice to look at it, knew it was hard to get it but we too were shocked. Seems unfair that it’s so hard for OOS kids to get it and we too think it hurt us to say we had the prepaid plan.</p>
<p>Lawman1, you do not “lose in-state status” because you moved out of state. You had to fulfill residency requirements in order to purchase the prepaid contract, and you never lose that in-state residency classification for tuition after you bought the prepaid.</p>
<p>Here is the bullet on the residency affidavit that the prepaid holders check.</p>
<p> J. I am a qualified beneficiary under the terms of the Florida Prepaid College Program (s.1009.98, F.S.) (Required: Copy of Florida prepaid recipient card.)</p>
<p>Under application information this is what it says about residency. There is no suggestion that there are more types of residency than for tuition purposes.</p>
<p>Residency Information
Establishing your residency is important, as it determines whether your tuition is based on Florida resident or non-Florida resident rates.</p>