How's my list/visiting colleges...suggestions?

<p>Hey everyone, I have to start making my college list for my guidance councilor and then plan trips to some of these colleges. Im a strong student, I was a slacker earlier in my high school career but I have a strong upward trend (not that my gpa was ever so terrible). Anyways heres a brief overview of my stats: PSAT 209 (77 M, 69 CR, 63 W)...I havent taken the SAT yet and I understand that projections/practice tests aren't a strong basis for speculation but based on my preping please assume that Ill have a 2250 (780 M, 730 CR, 740 W)...SAT II's: Math Ic 740, Chem 710 Bio (freshman year) 720, im taking physics and USH in may...I have a 93 UW/95.5 W GPA for soph and freshman years, this will go up as I have straight A's with one B+ this year...I have a rigorous course selection, I will have completed AP Euro, USH and Physics B by senior year and im enrolled in AP Macro, Micro, Lit, Calc AB, Bio, Stat & gov for senior year...While my courseload is rigorous it is not quite the most rigorous schedule possible...My school is very competitive (Long Island, 20+ ED Ivy acceptances) and doesnt rank...my EC's are sort of generic but heres a brief over view: Student gov. officer all years, spanish club president, DECA all years, Baseball, track and then the typical honors societies....Now heres my list of schools ranked in terms of what I consider to be a Reach/Match/Safety...Please give me any suggestions of schools to add to any part of my list or to remove from my list and any colleges in particular I should visit from this list:</p>

<p>Oh yeah I also plan on majoring in economics/business...im leaning towards economics right now because I think I want to be in business after college yet im not positive and want the freedom to explore other areas of study (science/International relations/gov)</p>

<p>Heres the list:</p>

<p>Reach:
Penn CAS...my number 1 choice will probably apply there ED...visiting this week
Brown...for the parents
Georgetown...based on selectivity</p>

<p>Match:
Northwestern (in between reach and match)
Cornell (same as NU)
Wash U (same as NU and Cornell)
Emory</p>

<p>Safety(ish):
University of Michigan (would apply p/a to ross which would be a reach)
SUNY Bing (just for the sake of it)
University of Wisconsin</p>

<p>I really need some safety suggestions as well as opinions on the rest of my list (especially on Penn)...as well as any schools which I should add to that list or should visit....thankssss</p>

<p>ps. I dont know how much it matters but im a white jewish middle/uppermiddle class male from Long Island NY</p>

<p>Uhmmm...I don't think any of your matches are matches. They are probably reaches. They are reaches for everyone really. You need some in-between schools. Emory is good, maybe check out Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Tufts, Boston College, NYU, and Villanova.</p>

<p>Yeah I was afraid that they were too selective to call them matches...I like Vandy but im kind of afraid that its too southern for me (nothing against the south but im afraid that its not the face paced new york life im used to) neverthless I want to check it out if I have time and see if im worrying about nothing...would UVA be a better match than those cornell/NU/wash u?</p>

<p>Vanderbilt, Duke, and Wake really aren't true Southern Schools. I'm going to Wake next year (from NJ) and Jersey people are the second biggest group from any state. I've never visited Vanderbilt, but Duke and Wake are definately not "Bob Jones University" if you know what I mean :). UVA would be a slight reach/match because you are OOS. Good luck :)</p>

<p>where on LI do you live?</p>

<p>I would suggest just taking a run up and down I-95</p>

<p>emory to duke to georgeotown and gw to penn to princeton to columbia and nyu to brown to tufts and bc and harvard.</p>

<p>Willmington: haha yeah i know what you mean and thanks for that info im definatly gonna check out vandy then...for the girls if nothing else lol (semi joke)</p>

<p>Bob: I live in Syosset...that sounds like a good idea...I think im flying down to emory later in the year so Im gonna ask the parents if they dont mind driving up</p>

<p>Vandie has gotten so selective that it is really tough to guess who gets in. kids with very high scores don't and kids with some sort of pull do.</p>

<p>As for match to safe schools. what about Tulane. Wake only takes SAT scores so make sure you take the sat, too, if you take the ACT. FYI: friends got into all three school...vandie, wake and tulane. they got the best money from tulane but the quickest answer from wake. but you're upper middle so you don't neeed that, I guess.</p>

<p>I think im going to be applying for aid at most schools, we have money saved for college but all of these schools r so expensive (160k for 4 years) and will be burdernsome to pay off so I plan on seeing what im eligible for, yet I dont think that will keep me from applying to any school.</p>

<p>any opinions?</p>

<p>Syracuse might be a decent add as a match/safety.</p>

<p>NYJeff06: I am going to approach your request as if you were my child. Hope that is ok with you.</p>

<p>1) what is your preference as to the size of the student body? Have you a desire to be known to your fellow students or part of a large body where you will have some connection with small groups, but difficult for you to know the large mass of students? (This has nothing to do with size of individual classes)</p>

<p>2) Do you prefer large lecture hall type classes with TA's monitoring smaller groups, or would you prefer small classes with the Professor teaching all class sessions and available (within reason) to you and the other students?</p>

<p>3) Do you need to be in or close to a major or large city? Would you prefer to be in a rural type setting, or away from the city but able to reach it within 1 or 2 hours on weekends?</p>

<p>4) Do you want to join a Frat or would you rather be in a non frat school?</p>

<p>5) If they have the money saved, do you undestand what amount of $$$, we your parents are willing and able to spend directly for your education on a yearly basis.</p>

<p>Pause: At this point, no school has been mentioned because until you have reasonably thought of the above elements, any school that does not fit into the projection of your current desires as to setting, type school, classes etc is irrelevent.</p>

<p>Now: If you have not visited schools in the settings mentioned above, then you should do this:</p>

<p>6) ask your parent to take you to visit various campus, just to gauge the settings of the varied sized schools and their general tone/setting/student body.</p>

<p>7) Spring break (April or March) is a great time to just get acquinted with the college setting. </p>

<p>However lets discuss your original list:</p>

<p>Penn (Philly), Brown (Providence) G'town (DC), Wash U(St Louis), Emory (Atlanta).</p>

<p>These schools are located in rather large city settings; Wash U - (where one of my sons graduated), is on the other side of a large city park from St LOuis proper, the rest are in the city. Penn is close to the downtown section, right next street over from Drexel. </p>

<p>Is this the type setting you would be comfortable in for four years? UM and UW are massively large Universiies (where you would be paying out of state tuition), located in the middle of their states (Lansing and Madison).</p>

<p>Northwestern is in a northern suburb of Chicago with a rather large and spread out campus and Cornell is a very hilly and Largest of all Ivies(with a state University component, and actually has two campus upper and lower and some Frats has two houses one for each campus.</p>

<p>8) Since you live in LI. Get in the car and drive into NJ and visit Princeton, take a tour and get the feeling of an Ivy campus with about 5000 students, after lunch drive into Philly (about 1 hour) and visit Penn, take a tour and view.</p>

<p>9) Drive down towards DC and stop overnight in Laurel (Route 1) in the morning visit U of Maryland (on rt 1) tour and see what a large state Univ feels like (comparible setting to UM and UW although the surrounding area is not as nice IMO. Before Lunch head into DC and visit G'Town for lunch on M Street and after lunch tour the campus.</p>

<p>Now you will have seen two on yoiur list plus a state univ and a smaller IVY institution. </p>

<p>You could then drive back north to Philly and the next day visit Haverford, which is located in the western subs of Philly (it is about 1500 students next door(1 mile) to Bryn Mawr (an all girls college of about 1500+), these two schools have comingled their curriculum so that the student body is really about 3000. Get a view on what a Liberal Arts setting with smaller class sizes and close Professor/student interaction. Take a tour and ask questions</p>

<p>Head north on the Penn Pike and go visit Lafayette in Easton (2000 students, very preppy and big on Frats (my two oldest sons went here). ALternately, you could go to Lancaster and visit Franklin and Marshall or up to Carliyle(SP) to visit Dickinson. Any of these three would give you a good impression of this type of school.</p>

<p>10) After this type of trip, you wil have seen a variety of settings (small town, big city, larger school,smaller school, frats or not (Haverford) and you should have a better understanding of what setting is best for you.</p>

<p>Comment: The reason IMO for so many transfers is the simple fact that the student did not know what he/she wanted the college environment/setting to be, was not aware of the type of students that attended, did not understand the teaching setup (Prof/TA etc) was totally unaware of their own personal comfort zone etc.</p>

<p>Remember this trip is only to give you the college setting and environment.</p>

<p>Weather (ice snow rain sun beaches mountains etc) could be of concern to you, that is IMO a minor item, but what say you.</p>

<p>The selection of your college is the most important decision next to your selection of a spouse, that you will make in the next 10 to 15 years of your life. Therefore, you should seek as much awareness of yourself and what is available in the multitude of colleges/universities before you create a list of possibles. That is easy, learning the awareness is harder, much harder, but IMO all important.</p>

<p>Megan: before I respond to anything you have said I just want to thank you for the response!
I had originally been looking for a medium size (10000) school in or around a city. Since then I had got to thinking that I wouldnt mind being further away from the city but since im further away from the city I'd like a larger student body like those state universities, yet I also wouldn't mind looking at a smaller school (as long as its not too too rural i.e. within an hour or two). As of now I plan on visiting penn this week brown in april and emory in may so Ill try and stop by some other colleges along the way. Again, thanks for the post...</p>

<p>I think your list is pretty much perfect for what you are looking for, I might add Duke if I were you as a reach.</p>

<p>SUNY Binghampton is getting fairly competitive, since it's so inexpensive and known for having fairly strong academics. I know some high achievers at my school were not accepted there. Have you considered SUNY Geneseo? </p>

<p>Also, you might consider University of Chicago...somewhere in between a reach and a match. The acceptance rates aren't as low as some of its peers, and I'm sure you already know their academics are fantastic. They would be good if you're leaning towards economics.</p>

<p>For safeties...hmmmm....Rutgers is a fine school. They also have merit based scholarships for people with your kinds of scores (though I'm not sure that you need it...any bit helps).</p>

<p>Chicago is nothing like the schools on this list though - if he left out columbia he'll probably leave out chicago.</p>

<p>Im gonna definately gonna add Duke to my reach list...When I first put together a list Chicago was on it, but then I found out that it doesnt exactly have the most stimulating social scene and a fairly big part of my decision will be based on the social life (not the biggest factor but its up there)...</p>

<p>any more opinons?</p>

<p>Everyone I just got back from UPenn a few days ago and I think im in love...Thus I'd like to know what you all think about my chances there and any schools that are similar to UPenn in look and feel (and almost/as good in terms of academics)</p>

<p>To my knowledge, SUNY Geneseo is harder to get into than SUNY Binghamton…it is much smaller.</p>