hs senior, got caught cheating + F in class.

<p>onlyiknow -</p>

<p>Your teacher asked you to submit original work. You copied someone else's work and submitted it as your own. That is plagiarism. If you pulled this stunt in college, you would fail the course there.</p>

<p>Until you are ready to do your own work, and you are capable of organizing your time so that you are never tempted to steal another person's work, you can't claim to be ready for college.</p>

<p>Sorry kid, but it is just that simple. Get some help with the time management thing, and stop looking for the easy way out of doing your homework.</p>

<p>Tell colleges that you have dissociative identity disorder-and that your naughty side just happened to emerge at the wrong time.</p>

<p>Wow. CC has to fix this double post thing, it's getting irritating. Is it just me or does the site feel like its been injected with a full dose of laggage?</p>

<p>People are trying to be funny and its really not. It's serious, so get a life people. </p>

<p>In my opinion, the best thing to do right now is to be aggressive. Confront the teacher first and tell your side of the story... if that doesn't work, then talk to your parents and harass the administration...</p>

<p>I hope this isn't taken as a joke, but this is exactly what I would do... go all out. I think the preferred route is writing an essay of about 5 pages about something. Bring it to the administration and to the teacher to prove how serious you are.</p>

<p>I can feel for you
my soph year i got caught cheating on a test in alg. 2(stupid me, i know), but my parents were able to work out a deal with the school. I had 3 days in school suspension and took a zero on the test, but nothing would appear on my transcipt
it would be erased...
maybe a deal like that......im really sorry..im hoping for yuo</p>

<p>Talk to your teacher, guidance counselor and administrators, with your parents present, like the posts above say.</p>

<p>Be extremely apologetic and reflect on what you have learned from this because trust me, even copying online notes someone made verbatim is indeed plagiarism. I'm assuming you're a high calibre student academically, given the schools you're applying to. You should use that and say I'm not someone who would cheat on purpose, I honestly didn't know I couldn't copy off of the online notes. I thought the purpose of the notes was to study the materials, and I thought I could study it best by copying at that time. Maybe add I thought it was more for personal use instead of submission for marks (as in notes for completion marks + timeline for quality marks), so it was a misunderstanding on my part and I'm so sorry that I misunderstood the assignment. Something like that, be defensive but acknowledge how your teacher feels. Get your other 11 students to say the same things? Oh yeah, voluntarily taking responsibility also helps, be like, I'll make it up to you in way X that doesn't involve an F on transcript, like redo the project or something. If your administration has a heart, they'll hopefully understand.</p>

<p>As for school policy, hope your admins can be flexible. Did your teacher give you a chance to explain to her before she failed you and booted you out of the class? Maybe a note on the assignment like, come see me? Or did she not give you a chance to explain at all?</p>

<p>academic dishonesty is the worst infraction possible. integrity and honor is paramount to all schools, not just the elite ones. If you truly feel you did not cheat in this project- the class notes were the same as the online textbook, nebulous rubric, etc., then i would become very pro-active here for your own sake. </p>

<p>A meeting with you, your parents and the administration is in order. You may be best served to consult with an attorney first & bring them with you to your meeting. It is a serious matter and since you've been found guilty of it once already, it doesn't put you in the best possible light. You've got to fight to be credible in this instance.</p>

<p>In my mind, what you did wasn't cheating/plagarism. You would be taking notes from a textbook, but instead you took notes from the textbook's website. Is there something I'm missing?</p>

<p>It's the official website for the textbook from what I can tell.</p>

<p>^attorney?? forreal???</p>

<p>and i didn't get the F yet, and i didn't get kicked out of class yet. that will be decided this wednesday when i talk with the administration. most likely, like 90%, i will eventually get the F, but i am gonna try my hardest to convince them not to.</p>

<p>btw thanks for the replies everyone. they sure are helpful.</p>

<p>Good luck! Make sure you paint a very sympathetic and repenting story! I suppose HS counselors like to see maturity and admittance?</p>

<p>I have to agree with Optimist. Especially as this is a second offense which makes claiming you would never cheat difficult. I don't know your school and don't want to suggest panic, but if your school takes a hard line it could mean all of the colleges you applied to could retract any offers of admission.</p>

<p>I hope your family is taking this very seriously and taking the needed actions. Realize many of those posting here are teenagers and this is a complex and maybe legal event.</p>

<p>yes, for real... </p>

<p>unless i have grossly misunderstood your postings, you are in serious trouble.
it is not the F that will haunt you, or being removed from your AP Bio class, but the lack of integrity. In essence, if you don't fight to have this situation corrected, you will have been found guilty of academic dishonesty, not once but twice.
You could have a perfect gpa, 2400 scores & ECs up the ying yang and no college will touch you with that on your record. This speaks reams about you- you didn't learn from your earlier mistakes and your character is flawed. </p>

<p>I am not passing judgement on you. This is what this type of infraction says to an admission officer, or employer. If you are not guilty as charged, you need to pull out the big guns and address this matter smartly. Making excuses, writing essays or trying to sound remorseful can work if you just pulled a annoying prank and got caught. You are being accused of plagarism, a weighty matter that can affect you for the rest of your life. Talk to your parents before you speak to administration. You don't want your words used against you. A lawyer can give you insight and counsel on how to proceed.</p>

<p>good luck.</p>

<p>Your school sucks.</p>

<p>All the time at my old high school people would cheat. Quizzes, homework, etc etc. Even when the teacher had proof that they were cheating, nothing was really done. It was a major problem that was being ignored.</p>

<p>It is not a good idea to ignore cheating, but this is a small offense of cheating. I would say copying notes off of a textbook website is a slap on the wrist compared to copying answers from another student during a test. I cannot imagine those notes were worth that much. It was stupid of you to do anything like that, especially when your grade does not really matter in the class as long as you pass. But regardless, this is not grounds for an automatic sentence to community college. </p>

<p>Your school's policy is similar to the three strike law (Where one person commits two serious felonies previously, then commits petty theft... and gets sentenced to 25-life in prison). Sure committing three felonies, or two academic dishonesty violations, is STUPID with POOR JUDGMENT, but that doesn't mean your college plans should be thrown in the trash. Not all felonies are the same, and not all academic violations are the same. If you again decided to cheat on a test, I can see the school behaving this way, but this seems like a minor offense that some may even consider a form of cheating.</p>

<p>If addressed properly, perhaps the adminstration will conclude that the teacher wasn't clear on the assignment, or was being unreasonably harsh since a dozen students are being accused of the same. There is strength in numbers, so there's another strategy you could employ. In any event, having your parents present at your meeting is the wise course of action to protect your interests.</p>

<p>What can I say? procrastinators get punished. You should have started early rather than cram. the teacher would not have assigned homework that is beyond the students' capacities.</p>

<p>There's only yourself to blame brotha</p>

<p>So instead of taking notes by interpreting the material, you just straight-up copied some other notes? Honestly, it's hard to decide if I consider that cheating or not. I mean, if it's one of those things where you are meant to write your own interpretation but you instead use the words of another, it may be considered plagiarism (just guessing here, I don't know what the rules are for textbooks and notes and that sort of thing).</p>

<p>Regardless, you definitely need to bring your parents into this. The final decision is really a function of mercy at this point. You need to emphasize:</p>

<ol>
<li>Many others did the same, who were otherwise honest students</li>
<li>They're textbook notes. Nobody generally freaks out when you're using notes from a textbook as your source, as opposed to some other book. Textbooks are meant to aid the class, and it may be unreasonable to flunk a student for using textbook material.</li>
<li>This decision will severely impact your college admission status for most schools. It's quite a harsh punishment, considering the ambiguous nature of the problem. You should make it clear that if so many students were using the same notes, they obviously were not afraid that it was considered cheating because the material did not seem unreasonable to use.</li>
</ol>

<p>I think saying that "this is a punishment for procrastinators" is a bit disingenuous and unreasonable. Receiving an F over something like this is a tad strange. If the original poster here was supposed to write his own interpretation and instead just copied something word-for-word, it is going to be harder to argue. Otherwise, I think there are grounds for deeming the punishment unreasonable.</p>

<p>I am going to repaste Caatinga's advice here because it was spot-on, and this is the kind of attitude you need to take:</p>

<p>"Be extremely apologetic and reflect on what you have learned from this because trust me, even copying online notes someone made verbatim is indeed plagiarism. I'm assuming you're a high calibre student academically, given the schools you're applying to. You should use that and say I'm not someone who would cheat on purpose, I honestly didn't know I couldn't copy off of the online notes. I thought the purpose of the notes was to study the materials, and I thought I could study it best by copying at that time. Maybe add I thought it was more for personal use instead of submission for marks (as in notes for completion marks + timeline for quality marks), so it was a misunderstanding on my part and I'm so sorry that I misunderstood the assignment. Something like that, be defensive but acknowledge how your teacher feels. Get your other 11 students to say the same things? Oh yeah, voluntarily taking responsibility also helps, be like, I'll make it up to you in way X that doesn't involve an F on transcript, like redo the project or something. If your administration has a heart, they'll hopefully understand."</p>

<p>Didnt you apply ED to cornell ILR? At the info session they basically said get an F on your transcript and your pretty much auto rescinded.</p>

<p>I wish you the best of luck and I really sympathize because it seems like that you are a good kid that is stuck in a tough place. I wish that this was only a first offense. But, you will learn not to do that again.</p>