<p>I know like NYU receives like tens of thousands of applicants a year but a lot of the applicants probably aren't qualified (Although they say there is no minimum)</p>
<p>ex: My friend with a 1100 combined (not HEOP/EOP) that didn't do anything in his high school nor have a high GPA applied to NYU. I know some kids with terrible scores applied to couple ivys too.</p>
<p>So my question is, what percentage of the applicant pool do you think generally has qualified stats?</p>
<p>I have been wondering this too - I read that last year, out of the 22.000 applications Princeton received, 11.000 scored above a 2100. That of course doesn’t mean that all the sub 2100 scores are all unqualified (I hope not! I have a 2040!) but it could imply that a lot of those 11.000 people score well under a 2100. </p>
<p>For example, I actually know that quite a lot of international applicants apply to these colleges with like 1600s on their SATs, because they aren’t really familiar with the US system. </p>
<p>SAT scores of course do not count for everything, but a 1600 (o/f 2400) SAT often doesn’t go together with an otherwise stellar profil, I reckon. </p>
<p>But yeah, competition is still insanely steep.</p>
<p>I think there are <em>enough</em> qualified applicants as well to make most schools hard to get into. But yeah, there are probably some automatic rejects, and people who don’t stand a chance. But hey, they have the right to try! Lets just hope we get in where we want :P</p>
<p>@GuiltyBystander, I have the same score as you…haha :)</p>
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<p>Let’s check whether or not there were that many students with scores that high. </p>
<p><a href=“http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/sat_percentile_ranks_composite_cr_m_w.pdf[/url]”>http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/sat_percentile_ranks_composite_cr_m_w.pdf</a> </p>
<p>The SAT scores wouldn’t be the whole story, of course, about who is “qualified,” but that is one issue to look at when figuring out how much a college class can be filled up with people who have high scores. </p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/413821-sat-score-frequencies-freshman-class-sizes.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/413821-sat-score-frequencies-freshman-class-sizes.html</a> </p>
<p>Surely some applicants apply on the basis of speculation, submitting “lottery ticket” applications, and other applicants apply on the basis of ignorance of what standards are at some universities these days. But many applicants apply because they have heard of someone similar, or at least not too dissimilar, who got into their college of choice. </p>
<p>Good luck to everyone applying this year who is still waiting for news.</p>
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Hmmm. Maybe if you add in superscores, and assume they’re including equivalent ACTs, you might get close to that number.</p>
<p>Wait, I was reading the number wrong–forgetting that it’s not cumulative. Still, it might be even bigger if you add in superscores, people who only took the test as juniors, and equivalent ACTs.</p>
<p>I am sorry if my 2100 scores-statistic is incorrect. These numbers were actually published by Princeton; I reckon they do at least mean superscored then? Or they factor in SATIIs, haha? </p>
<p>Anyway, lets indeed hope we get in, BeautifulNights!</p>
<p>You know, that’s a great question. Harvard keeps boasting that their number of applicants is increasing from year to year…but, with the amount of people I hear from just popping in a Harvard application “because…well, it’s Harvard,” it makes me wonder if their 7% acceptance rate is truly higher for actually qualified students.</p>
<p>If 50% of admitted students fall within the 25%-75% score range, 25% have better scores and 25% have worse scores. That means 1 in 4 ADMITs have scores below the middle 50% score range. Not all students with what CC considers “Ivy League” stats get in and some with less then “Ivy League” stats do. It is not just about the scores! Schools are looking for students who can contribute something to their community.</p>
<p>^ It could just come from more people applying to more schools.</p>
<p>I consider myself a fairly automatic reject from most ivies and I still applied. I have good test scores, a middling GPA, and no other significant hooks. I figured I might as well give it a shot, and even if I fail I’ll pad Princeton’s admission statistics :).</p>
<p>I saw a study that someone posted a link to (can’t find it now 
…) showing that after the 98th percentile of SAT scores, the probability of admission to Harvard, Princeton, and MIT increases exponentially. A 2400 (with no other info about applicant known) gives an applicant a 1-in-3 chance at Harvard and Princeton and a 1-in-2 chance at MIT. These schools also have to accept a significant number of people with lower scores to increase yield, because these people probably did not also gain admission to other similar schools. So although 2/3 of people with 2400 get rejected, 4/5 - 9/10 of people with low-ish, for these schools, (but still GOOD) scores get rejected, and I guess there are a lot of “auto-rejects”, too.</p>
<p>Everyone should read the “Abbott Essay,” and then come back.</p>
<p>[The</a> Aims of Education Address (for the class of 2006)](<a href=“http://www.ditext.com/abbott/abbott_aims.html]The”>The Aims of Education Address (for the class of 2006))</p>
<p>Page 8 (for what sunshower said)- <a href=“http://www.infogoaround.org/CollegesChinese/RevealRanking.pdf[/url]”>http://www.infogoaround.org/CollegesChinese/RevealRanking.pdf</a></p>
<p>^ </p>
<p>But what is talked about there is the top percentile, which is not the same as a score of 2400. </p>
<p><a href=“http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/sat_percentile_ranks_composite_cr_m_w.pdf[/url]”>http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/sat_percentile_ranks_composite_cr_m_w.pdf</a> </p>
<p>The top percentile begins at a lower scaled score. Anyway, the article is talking about math plus verbal scores, </p>
<p><a href=“http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/sat_percentile_ranks_composite_cr_m.pdf[/url]”>http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/sat_percentile_ranks_composite_cr_m.pdf</a> </p>
<p>which top out at 1600 (and the top percentile, again, begins at a lower score than that).</p>
<p>38,000 applicants @ NYU this year. Doubtful that half is qualified :o</p>
<p>I could be that a lot of the 2400-scorers get rejected because they only decided to apply BECAUSE they scored a 2400. I can imagine there’d be students with decent GPAs, not a lot of ECs, and an unexpected 2400, who’d decide to apply to top colleges because of their score.</p>
<p>High SAT scores do not always imply an overall good profile, or vice versa, I will probably be slaughtered at all my colleges for scoring a 2040 (although as an international), but my grades are high and my ECs are, well, really good, so I am not an instant reject, I hope/think. </p>
<p>What I do find unexpected is that you see quite a lot of people on CC getting rejected with insane profiles -high SATs, GPAs, incredible ECs and even some oh so cherished hooks-;
that has led me to believe that essays and other intangibles play a lot bigger role than we would think. I can hardely imagine an admissions officer would want to admit someone who came across as a really, really unlikable/uninteresting person, despite their “stats”. And, of course, we can’t know how big a share of these people are ‘actual’ applicants, or bored high schoolers making up these stories up. </p>
<p>It feels weird saying all these things, because I am pretty much getting rejected everywhere I have applied myself XD But it does hold some truth.</p>
<p>Significa: Just a note that relates. I’m noticing over on the NYU board that 3-4 kids have been “LSPd” (NOT admitted to a particular school at NYU, but offered a spot by starting with what is basically a 2 year associate type degree…moving on after that). The stats on these 3-4 kids were 3.95-4.0 AND 3 of them had over 2000 on their SAT (one was in the 1900s)…provided I’m remembering all that correctly. </p>
<p>So, I’m sure there are tons of non-qualified applicants. But I was AMAZED to see these scores not get a “direct admit”.</p>
<p>GB said: “I have been wondering this too - I read that last year, out of the 22.000 applications Princeton received, 11.000 scored above a 2100.”</p>
<p>Just some context - and yes, I know that people can super score - in 2008 there were just over 50,000 people countrywide that scored 2100 or above at a single sitting of the SAT.</p>
<p>That’s about the same number of frosh slots at a mix of Top ~30 public and private colleges and universities (e.g., from Dartmouth to UVA to Harbvey Mudd to Stanford, etc.)</p>
<p>Kei</p>
<p>P.S. In admissions presentations from ad comms at so-called Top Schools I’ve heard repeatedly that a super-majority of applicants are both capable fo doing the work and woudl thrive.</p>
<p>I’ve also been wondering how much of the application increase in recent years is because of more students applying to more and more schools.</p>