<p>The head of UW Madison libraries makes more than the head of UWEC’s. But a basic librarian at either one might make about the same. Madison has many more specialists and they make more. But there are probably many staff service jobs that pay the same.</p>
<p>Here’s another article about the proposed split:</p>
<p>[Details</a> released for potential University of Wisconsin-Madison split](<a href=“http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/education/university/article_d4855d44-3fa1-11e0-9d8b-001cc4c002e0.html]Details”>http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/education/university/article_d4855d44-3fa1-11e0-9d8b-001cc4c002e0.html)</p>
<p>This is great news, if it actually happens.</p>
<p>like that very much. Pretty much a copy of the UMichigan system.</p>
<p>“I know people in Wisconsin are a little afraid of greatness and striving and all that. makes them uncomfortable to be anything more than just slightly above average.”</p>
<p>Oh, get a life… really, that is an incredibly insulting statement - to the school, to the sate, to the residents… I could go on. I live here, I care about education and much more - you have no clue. Seriously.</p>
<p>New update…</p>
<p><a href=“http://newbadgerpartnership.wisc.edu/news/public-authority-status/[/url]”>http://newbadgerpartnership.wisc.edu/news/public-authority-status/</a></p>
<p>ljbnu84–I suggest you spend a day listening to Garrison Keillor. It’s the base for his entire humor and it’s funny because the audience knows it is based on a foundation of truth. I have heard this many times from UW officials. They have to use code words for being in fact an elite university. Using “elite” or any closely similar words in public is verboten.</p>
<p>barrons
Please details on why you wrote the following.
I think the Minn deal is on shaky ground already.</p>
<p>Wisconsin gets more out of the deal than Minn and the U Minn is tired of losing top students and money on the deal. If UW increases tuition to the Uminn level that might help. Also right now Wisconsin has to send a big check to Minn to make up the difference in tuition and they are not liking that impact. It used to be the other way around and that check went in the state account. Uminn does not like it because they never see that extra money. So right now the only ones that benefit are the students. Politicians don’t like that. Plus Wisconsin just elected some crazy folks.</p>
<p>I’m the parent of a student accepted to UW Madison for next fall and I’m more than a bit anxious about the uncertainty regarding possible changes regarding tuition and reciprocity agreements for Minnesotans.</p>
<p>I am hoping that any changes will be announced before the May 1st drop dead date. </p>
<p>My daughter is set on going to Madison. And I’m behind her in that. But if there will be radical changes made, we need to know the sooner the better. There are other options to Madison.</p>
<p>Barrons (and anyone else), your thoughts?</p>
<p>I should think anyone starting this year would be grandfathered in under any changes. This is more of a longrun issue. If UW tuition goes up closer to UMinn (possible) some of the reasons for the problems will go away as the UMinn will be collecting similar money to what an instate kid would be paying and Wisconsin won’t be sending millions each year to Minnesota’s treasury.</p>
<p>Here are the details on Tuition Reciprocity per Minnesota Office of Higher Education web site. </p>
<p>If you’re an undergraduate student from Minnesota attending the University of Wisconsin-Madison: your tuition will be the higher of the tuition charged by the University of Wisconsin-Madison or by the University of Minnesota-Twin Cities. </p>
<p>This was changed to highest tuition rate several years ago after student protest at UMN-Twin Cities. Minnesota residents were paying higher tuition rate than Wisconsin residents. </p>
<p>[url=<a href=“Blog - Get Ready for College”>Blog - Get Ready for College]Wisconsin[/url</a>]</p>
<p>as a east coastie, i am looking to transfer into wisc. if wisc breaks off from the other wisc colleges, how will it affect oos kids? i never plan on living in wisc so as long as the school stays top 50 im ok</p>
<p>Just for everyone’s information, MN-WI Reciprocity data:
<a href=“http://www.ohe.state.mn.us/pdf/ReciprocityDataOverview2010.pdf[/url]”>http://www.ohe.state.mn.us/pdf/ReciprocityDataOverview2010.pdf</a></p>
<p>In Fall, 2008:
5296 WI residents at UMN-TC, 3271 MN residents at UW-Madison
10690 WI residents at all MN schools, 14034 MN residents at UW system schools</p>
<p>Let me add that one reason I suspect that the MN schools are uniformly higher in tuition than WI schools is that they currently have three separate administrative systems vis-a-vis WI’s single unified system.</p>
<p>mcfuggie: Difficult to know what would happen, but OOS students pay about 50% of the tuition at Madison. I doubt their numbers will be going down.</p>
<p>The Board of Regents met this morning to discuss the proposed split.</p>
<p>[Campus</a> Connection: UW Regents, Martin enjoy civil debate](<a href=“http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/education/campus_connection/article_df95680e-4114-11e0-9e16-001cc4c03286.html]Campus”>http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/education/campus_connection/article_df95680e-4114-11e0-9e16-001cc4c03286.html)</p>
<p>Descartesz–the only reason tuition is higher in Minn–and most other midwest states is that their governments are more reasonable and they pay profs significantly more than those at UW. UW tuition has been held down as the quality declines and the best profs leave as we saw from 2002-2008 or so. Finally Martin brought in the added tuition plan and they started hiring more people. Our library spending has been cut to the bone and maintenance has slipped. There is no free lunch.</p>
<p>barrons:</p>
<p>I delved into this a bit and you appear to be right.</p>
<p>Exhibit A: <a href=“http://profs.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/faculty-salary-peer-data-2010.pdf[/url]”>http://profs.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/faculty-salary-peer-data-2010.pdf</a></p>
<p>I also checked state support for UW-Madison vs. U MN (the system, I could not find flagship campus breakouts): In 2008, about 20% for UW vs. 24% for U of MN, so obviously state revenues do not make up the difference.</p>
<p>Thanks for the information.</p>
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<p>Barrons could have worded it (much) better, but there is some truth in the general idea of what he’s saying. It’s sort of a populist ideal of everyone being equal, and anyone saying they are better than someone else (in any way) is elitist. It’s why people in Oshkosh think UW-Oshkosh can give someone an equal education to UW-Madison, and that the only difference between the schools is that UW-Madison is bigger and has better sports teams. Obviously, that isn’t the case, but a lot of people believe this.</p>
<p>Here’s a little quote from the largest paper in Wisconsin.It’s from an article on the reasons for the heavy drinking culture.</p>
<p>"Drinking also fits comfortably with what some see as a just-regular-folks, anti-elitist strain in Wisconsin’s character. You know, the kind of people who would take an insult from Illinoisans - “cheesehead” - and turn it into a symbol of pride. Holzhueter once described this as Wisconsin’s “Aw shucks” tendency.</p>
<p>Part of the anti-elitist attitude, he said, is a sense that we exemplify a true folk culture, and that “real people do these real things like getting drunk.”</p>
<p>[Drinking</a> deeply ingrained in Wisconsin’s culture - JSOnline](<a href=“http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/31237904.html]Drinking”>http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/31237904.html)</p>
<p>It’s not just something I made up. It’s very common and I heard it all the time from UW officials and others long before that. When it moves from general populism to putting down anyone who likes wine over beer or Brooks Brothers over Sears it becomes a self-defeating problem. It becomes hatred for all those professors making six figures who come from outside (Wisconsin is one of the most insular states with relatively few outsiders moving there–see same article). And so on. You can see where that can go. UW Madison is creating good jobs but most of those require advanced degrees and go to “outsiders” so they don’t really count to the folks in Oshkosh losing jobs at paper plants. It just gives people more reasons to hate Madison and everything it stands for. Academic superiority, outsiders with fancy degrees and ways who don’t even drink much beer, creating jobs they can never hope to get. You can see that hatred coming through in the comments to the recent articles on UW and the proposed change at madison.</p>
<p>Now Washington and the west are just the opposite and embrace "elite’ newcomers and high tech achievements. They see them as building the future that they will benefit from too by just being in a strong growth area. --current problems notwithstanding.</p>