<p>As you can see I don't have very many post, so here's the question.</p>
<p>Why hasn't this problem been posted here?</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>This upsets me greatly…why the focus on just one under represented minority group? We should be more concerned with the OVERALL picture. With this year’s incoming swab class, 24% are URM’s. Up 8% in ONE YEAR. Good job CGA…you are on the right track!</p>
<p>And another note, some folks just self-select OUT of military service. Black, white, hispanic, asian…across the board there are folks who just don’t care to serve. Add to the fact that there are many who choose the AF or Army over the Sea Services due to personal preference…it takes a special salty breed to head out to sea for months at a time. Just another hurdle for some, but a deal breaker for others.</p>
<p>Bottom line, I am convinced that if you bring the information to the inner cities and URM’s, (which IS being done), and encourage those who may have an interest to apply, then the CG has done it’s job. That said, I do feel that the recruitment efforts/outreach would be more successful if they started much, much earlier. Reaching out to a URM Jr. or Sr. in a poor-performing public high school will generally not result in more appointments…the kids are lacking in some of the more critical math/science skills that the academy requires, and sadly are ill prepared for the rigors of the academy. Get to 'em in middle school…make them want to work hard in HS with an eye towards a service academy appt. It gives the kids time to prepare their service academy resume, and more importantly, come prepared to succeed in a brutally tough academic environment.</p>
<p>Excellent add Shellz! From these reports USNA appears to have had the best track record with CGA being the worst. My God, we have to go all the way back to 1974 for CGA to have any significant impact on this issue.</p>
<p>Why has this topic not made it to this forum until now? The subject matter has been reported for a long time and as recent as 13 days ago!!</p>
<p>Certainly there has to be more than Shellz out there to post. What do you think about it CGA people?</p>
<p>Oh - it’s terrible! Just terrible! There should be congressional investigations and hangings.</p>
<p>I think it’s the kind of hyperbole that is so common in politics and the media today. </p>
<p>By all conventional standards USCGA is a top notch institution that is working very hard to increase its representation of all minorities, while keeping admissions standards that are academically uncompromising.</p>
<p>USNA on the other hand has been accused (Google it, who knows for sure?) of compromising its standards to increase minority admissions.</p>
<p>One of USCGA’s problems in this regard is that is unfortunately a very well kept secret. It is very small and doesn’t have the national profile of the other Academies, and that hurts recruitment of new cadets overall. Many of us are working to change all of these circumstances (except the size). </p>
<p>All I can hope is that Congress doesn’t get involved by passing a law to require Congressional nominations.</p>
<p>Harold, you’re right you can google all over the place(both sides) on this for USNA. Here’s one by Robert Gray. We don’t need to concern ourseves about USNA-</p>
<p>[USNA</a> // NAPS Diversity Candidate Standards | Facebook](<a href=“Redirect Notice”>Redirect Notice)</p>
<p>His final statements can apply to USCGA as you said size 300 instead of a 1000.</p>
<p>Aglages, it is terrible! This is very disturbing and completely unacceptable to say the least.</p>
<p>Interesting numbers to show the problem. The Domino Effect presented may have some sway.</p>
<p>[Steve</a> Sailer’s iSteve Blog: Latest Diversity crisis: the Coast Guard Academy](<a href=“Redirect Notice”>Redirect Notice)</p>
<p>Good read, the lack of numbers is staggering. The heavy lifting has not been there by CGA-looks like the pact was ignored.</p>
<p>[23</a> Graduates in Four Years under Coast Guard Agreement with NAACP Coast Guard Report](<a href=“Redirect Notice”>Redirect Notice)</p>
<p>So, 82, what would you suggest be done that isn’t? What do you think the likely solutions are?</p>
<p>Harold, true CGA has made steps but is far from the bar. CGA needs to be more persistent and consistent. This sad episode(s) put much of the problem in the light.</p>
<p>[The</a> Raw Story | Coast Guard takes action against racist noose incidents](<a href=“Redirect Notice”>Redirect Notice)</p>
<p>How many people that post here have been aware of the minority problems at CGA prior to my posting?</p>
<p>For this forum, what seems to be the biggest problem is the inability of “College Confidential” to actually stay on task. CGA82 is posting about a single Well documented; Well publicized and Well investigated incident over 3 years ago at USCGA mostly because he is paying back Luigi for his never ending posts attacking USNA.
Where the heck are the moderators on this forum? When was the last time anyone has even seen prospective Cadets or Midshipmen post and have a dialogue about admissions and life at the Academies or life as a military officer?</p>
<p>For one thing, how about CGA be required to have Congressional nominations. Why isn’t that the case anyway? The system seems to work for the other Academies. [And if its just about size, then, surely, a system could be developed that could overcome this problem.] Or, is it just possible, that CGA administration likes having control over their little world w/out having to put up with pesky MOC’s seeking admission for their top-ranked person?</p>
<p>It either about control or money, both of which bureaucrats are loath to relinquish.</p>
<p>Bill-
Im gonna throw your words back at ya…</p>
<p>You complain about bureaucrats…so why add ANOTHER layer of bureaucracy to the CGA admission system, with Congressional Noms? All those do is penalize prospective cadets from highly competitive areas, and give those spots to cadets from less competitive areas. (which in many areas translates into kids who are not as academically qualified or ready for the rigors of a service academy…) Is ensuring geographical (note, I did not say racial/cultural) diversity worth turning away kids who are the most qualified just because they come from a competitive area? </p>
<p>Don’t give the govt. any more power than they already have. Their track record for managing our country’s most important issues is ****-poor. Stay out of CGA please! Let the most qualified rise to the top. 24% URMs this year is progress, up 8% from last year. If I got an 8% raise I’d be happy…so let’s see where CGA goes with this, and if they are able to continue the trend of finding qualified cadets of all races to fill the very competitive (and smaller) class of 2015.</p>
<p>BTW, I am enthusiastically in favor of opportunities being brought to those who may not know about CGA well before High School when it may be too late. What I don’t agree with is taking it to the extreme and using a disproportionate amount of the already scarce recruiting budget (don’t have the numbers, but it would stand to reason that the budget is significantly smaller than Navy, Army, and AF) to target URM for the sole reason that they are URM’s. Plant the seed early in these diverse communities, water them and IF they grow, then GREAT. Keep recruiting those who have potential and ambition for the CGA Scholars program…talk about a great opportunity for ANY kid, of ANY color, race, etc! If, after all these efforts URM’s (including women?) don’t want to attend…well, maybe they just didn’t want to go to CGA? At this point I think CGA can step back and say that they tried…you can’t force someone to serve.</p>
<p>Ok…there ya go. This may not be a PC stance, but it’s how I see it. I enjoy reading the differing views on this board.</p>
<p>A big part of the USCGA’s problem is simply lack of visibility in minority communities. Because of their mission you primarily hear about the Coast Guard in coastal communities when there is a weather-related disaster, whereas the other branches of military service have been all over the news for the past decade because of their involvement in actions in the Middle East.</p>
<p>Another area where the CGA suffers in terms of visibility is on the playing field. West Point, Annapolis and the Air Force Academy get plenty of attention on television and in the sports pages because they play on the Division I level. Millions more people would be aware of the CGA if they were scheduling football games against Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Rutgers and Maryland instead of Fitchburg State, Maine Maritime and Curry. I’m not suggesting the CGA should be playing DI athletics – it is what it is – but this definitely doesn’t help the Academy’s visibility problem.</p>
<p>Kaydet-Nonsense</p>
<p>Bill0510-really makes sense on the MOC nominations. I think that having more eyes on the applicant adds to the process but that’s my 2cts. The MOC nominations/appointments are all about their local applicants. “DEMOGRAPHICS”</p>
<p>Adm Papp says:</p>
<p>[Papp</a> says admissions process not hindering diversity at CGA | Education & Training > Education Systems & Institutions from AllBusiness.com](<a href=“Redirect Notice”>Redirect Notice)</p>
<p>Not so fast.</p>
<p>Adm Allen says:</p>
<p>[Sam</a> Spade’s San Francisco: Coast Guard Commandant Wants More Diversity Among Officers](<a href=“http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oG7mVvGaFMhv8Ap6xXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMnBqZHY5BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0RGUjVfMTAy/SIG=12sobn7uc/EXP=1285712623/**http%3A//www.samspadesf.com/2008/10/coast-guard-commandant-wants-most.html]Sam”>http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oG7mVvGaFMhv8Ap6xXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMnBqZHY5BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0RGUjVfMTAy/SIG=12sobn7uc/EXP=1285712623/**http%3A//www.samspadesf.com/2008/10/coast-guard-commandant-wants-most.html)</p>
<p>Adm Allen and Adm Papp are in lock step. Demographics
(CLICK ON 4 STARS) Read all esp pg7 summary and pg18 conclusion about demographics.</p>
<p>[USCG</a> Diversity Staff (CG-12B)](<a href=“http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oG7lqlGqFMaCgBUsRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMnBqZHY5BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0RGUjVfMTAy/SIG=11iqc69e7/EXP=1285712933/**http%3A//www.uscg.mil/diversity/]USCG”>http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oG7lqlGqFMaCgBUsRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMnBqZHY5BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0RGUjVfMTAy/SIG=11iqc69e7/EXP=1285712933/**http%3A//www.uscg.mil/diversity/)</p>
<p>“We will continue to rely upon relevant forecasted National Demographic Data and racial and ethnic projections as our Guide.”</p>
<p>The bureauacracy is already in place. Oh, perhaps the MOC has to appoint a nominations committee, but those are volunteers so there is no cost.
Well, what is wrong with geographical diversity? It brings the CG to the interior so to speak.</p>
<p>For example, the Navy sponsors “Navy Days” multiple times per year throughout the country. Central Texas will have a Navy Day sometime early next year. We are over three hours from the nearest coast, but the Navy will bring exhibits, NA glee club members, jumpers, etc. Teh point is to spread the word.</p>
<p>I have an young acquaintance who is interested in the armed services. He contacted teh nearest recruiter–about an hour and half drive away–who, when asked whether he made any visits to our community [we are in his area of responsibility] said he did not.</p>
<p>So, maybe the CG could use some geographical diversity. MOC appointments seem a small price to pay to increase representation from Arizona or New Mexico or Chicago or Detroit or wherever it is needed.</p>
<p>The academy will send representation to school college nights if at all feasible. There is a form on the CGA.edu website which interested parties can fill out to request an AAP to attend their areas college nights.</p>
<p>No need to go to congressional noms…43 out of 50 states represented for the class of 2014 (see below) 86% of the country is represented by CHOICE, not by CHANCE. Don’t take the opportunities away from the most qualified due to residence in a highly selective state, while giving away appointments to kids from areas not academically rigorous enough to produce viable SA students. Give those kids who need an academic boost a CGA scholars appointment…oh wait, CGA already does do that!<br>
USCGA </p>
<p>The Academy at a Glance</p>
<p>Fast Facts</p>
<p>Key Stats (as of July 26, 2010)</p>
<pre><code> Corps of Cadets (student body)
- 1,030 cadets enrolled
- 43 states and 15 foreign nations represented
- 100% of students housed on campus
- 23 varsity athletic teams (20 division III, 3 division I)
- 29% of cadets are women
- 17% of cadets are minorities
- 1 faculty member for every 8 students
- 19 Cadets in an average class
</code></pre>
<p>Last rant…CGA PAID people to follow up on minority applicants to make sure they finished up their applications. Above and beyond…do we really want students at any of the nation’s Service Academies who don’t have the drive and determination to complete a college application without serious hand-holding? If you want a spot at an elite institution, such as USCGA, USMA, USAFA, USNA or USMMA, then one should be expected to complete the application without a reminder phone call near the application deadline.</p>
<p>Regardless, the problem still exist. The Commandant has made it clear that it is going to change to reflect the Demographic of the country.</p>
<p>cga82…I don’t think anyone here objected to increased diversity…just the methods suggested. Increasing minorities at the academies who are fully qualified is a good thing. Increasing minority enrollment at the expense of the incredibly high admission standards, not a good thing.</p>
<p>Go Bears!</p>
<p>Shellz,Bill,Hudson,Harold,Algages-I think it is good a discussion. I guess most don’t think it’s important.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t throw Bill’s resolution under the bus. Look the MOC’s should shoulder some of this responsibilty and this would put some of the problem on them. Besides all of the other service academies get quality minorities- reread Robert Gray. I don’t know if the system like KP could be adopted and improved upon?-Just a suggestion. Heck I graduated from there and I know with the past history(this yr is the best thus far for CGA but-too early to tell) some type of change according to the Commandant(s) is on the horizon. I think that at presently the system will pretty much remain the same and be fought to remain the same but the history of this problem will cause it to go to a nomination process. CGA has not shown any consistency.</p>
<p>How many people on this forum are informed about this problem? </p>
<p>Are and have you been familiar with the Commandants Diversity plan?</p>
<p>I wasn’t!!</p>
<p>BTW what the heck is aarp?</p>