<p>I'm an international student and a direct admit to Kelley. (Have also received an IU Faculty Award of 28000$)....all that is missing is an Honors program.... I wasn't invited to Hutton when I received my admission packet but would still like to try to get in...is possible to do so (petition maybe?) ?</p>
<p>Also how can I enter the Mitte Business Honors Program and when?
Does being a direct admit help in any way?</p>
<p>Yes, it is possible to petition and get into the Hutton Honors college (I myself also did so and was successful). You need to send in your transcripts, a teacher rec, and a letter indicating why you want to be in the Honors college. However, I don't know if it is still possible to get in, because the web site states that petitions should be sent in by March 1.</p>
<p>As for the Mitte Business Honors thing, I believe that you apply sometime in the middle of your freshman year.</p>
<p>Yeah I'm a DA too and I understand that one applies for Mitte durring there freshman year</p>
<p>I petitioned for Hutton as well, but I think the deadline has passed.</p>
<p>Here's the rules on applying to Mitte:</p>
<p>You apply in the second semester of your freshman year if you are already in (or are applying to be in) the Kelley business school.</p>
<p>I'm curious why students can't apply in the first semester of the sophomore year--since if a student is unable to get the courses needed to apply to Kelley in the freshman year that student is then also unable to apply to the Mitte program. Since a student only needs to take 12 units of honors courses before the end of the sophomore year, it is still possible to do that in the second semester of the sophomore year if you could apply and get accepted during the first semester (which is not possible under the current rules).Here's the rules on applying to Mitte:</p>
<p>Same stuff applies to Hutton. You need a 3.6 GPA to apply, but only a 3.5 when you finish the program. Thus, if you are something like 3.55 in the first semester and stay at that level, it is actually possible to meet every requirement to get the honors from that program, except that you would never actually be able to apply to get into the program.</p>
<p>Seems to me like both of these programs are geared to reward people who did well in high school--not those who do well in college. They make it easy for those who did well in high school to get in, but they make it difficult for those who do well in college to get in and take the necessary honors courses. </p>
<p>Kind of a stupid approach if you ask me. (And as you probably have noticed, I'm a supporter of the school in most things--but the way they have set up these honors programs makes no sense at all to me).</p>
<p>I've talked to Hutton; it is not too late. Almost too late, but not.</p>
<p>Calcruzer:</p>
<p>But don't you think if a person was serious enough to do business, he/she would have completed the pre-requisite courses by the end of their freshman year?</p>
<p>Well, that presumes two things--one, that the person knew they wanted to go into business before enrolling for the first semester's classes, and (2) that they could get all the classes they needed at a time that worked for them.</p>
<p>I know that it's not just getting the classes, by the way, but also being able to get them in buildings that you can get to on time. My son has had problems this whole semester with having one class of his in the business school that ends at 2:15 PM and his next one starting in Ballantine Hall (or is it Rawlins Hall?) that starts at 2:30 PM. It's next to impossible to get from one to the other on a timely basis--and he says he doesn't get to sign the attendance sheet if he doesn't get there on time (and in that class, attendance counts for 10% of his grade).</p>
<p>Also, those already in the honors courses get priority enrollment. Which means they "cherry-pick" the instructors they get. Thus, if you are already in the honors program, you have a better chance of getting the "easy" instructor that will give you the better grade (and that's presuming that instructor is not already teaching an honors course). Since these people only need to take one honors course per semester, they also have an advantage over someone who is admitted to honors a year later (who will need to take two honors courses each semester) or someone who is only admitted after the first semester of the sophomore year--who then needs to take all four honors courses in the second semester of the sophomore year (and that's if they can even get admitted to the honors program at this time--and the current rules say you can't).</p>
<p>The person who needs the better grade to get into the honors programs is stuck with the tougher-grading (and sometimes, more boring or less-knowledgeable) professor in order to bring up their grades sufficiently to qualify for honors. (Well, at this appears to be what is happening at IU).</p>
<p>Anyway, it seems the system is "rigged" a bit to favor the students that are likely to be the stellar ones before any of them even take their first classes.</p>
<p>Calcruzer, how is it possible for honors students to get priority enrollment? For instance, I am an honors admit but my orientation date isn't until the end of June, wouldn't some classes conceivably fill up before I get there, how exactly does this work?</p>
<p>I should have been more clear. The priority enrollment thing is by class (seniors, then juniors, then sophomores, and then freshmen)--but the honor students go at the start of that class according to the people who I've talked to. </p>
<p>Although, I should point out that this only starts after you have been at the school for one semester.</p>
<p>So the way the enrollment order works (I believe) is as follows:</p>
<p>For Spring semester and summer enrollment:
Senior honor students
All other seniors (in order by how many units you have taken--those with the most units getting preference)
Junior honor students
All other juniors (in order by how many units you have taken)
Sophomore honor students
All other sophomores (in order by how many units you have taken)
Freshman honor students (only applies during the second semester)
All other freshman (in order by how many units you have taken)</p>
<p>For Fall semester enrollment:
Same as above for seniors, juniors, and sophomores:
Freshman enrollment based upon date that you are signed up to attend orientation</p>
<p>Calcruzer, i do believe your enrollment time is based on the sheer amount of credits you have, since many of my friends who aren't in honors, who had different amount of credits, the ones with the least went last, the ones with the most went first.</p>
<p>dammitsam,</p>
<p>Thanks for that info. I'll check that out--it's possible I'm mistaken about the enrollment order.</p>
<p>(P.S. Do you know if the school counts transfer credits from other colleges/AP exams when computing the enrollment order--or if it's just the Indiana University credits that count in determining who goes first?)</p>
<p>I think they do count the College/AP credits when computing enrolling enrollment. Your class standing will go up as a result and the number of credits you have will obviously go up as well allowing you to sign up earlier than those who still have freshman standing.</p>
<p>For example, I was able to sign up earlier along with some others who had sophomore standing by the end of fall semester. Not as early as actual sophomores who obviously had more credits but early than most freshman.</p>
<p>Note: The credits that count for enrollment are the ones you have COMPLETED not currently taking. You gotta finish the course to officially get the credits and count towards graduation.</p>
<p>Just a follow-up to my son's attempt to get into Hutton Honors. He met with one of the lead people there who said that if he could get a second semester 3.6 GPA (this equals what is normally required during the first semester for admittance), they would admit him. Well, he has achieved that level, and so we are expecting that he will be be enrolled in some honors courses in the fall. He also is interested in writing for or working on their Undergraduate Scholar publication.</p>
<p>I want to thank andy_jay and some other people who sent information privately concerning the Hutton Honors program.</p>
<p>P.S. With the increasing GPAs and SAT scores of new students, I notice that next year Hutton is requiring a 3.7 GPA while at IUB for admittance to this program.</p>
<p>True, the GPA requirements are going up but there still remains a very nice loophole...</p>
<p>Weighted GPA, IUB counts weighted gpa as unweighted!</p>
<p>yazzz,</p>
<p>Are you saying that if someone takes an Honors course at IUB and gets, for example, a B-, that it is counted as an A- for GPA computation purposes?</p>
<p>I hadn't heard of this--and would an A count as a 4.0 or a 5.0 in that case--because my understanding is that they "cap" everything at 4.0. </p>
<p>Or maybe I'm misunderstanding you, and you are talking about how they compute the incoming GPA in terms of honors admissions of high school students. </p>
<p>Please clarify your comments, thanks.</p>
<p>I'm not sure about computing GPA's for incoming admissions but the university doesn't give more points for grades recieved in Honors classes.</p>
<p>an A is an A and so on, regardless of subject matter, honors or regular etc. </p>
<p>only thing that would affect how much a grade in a class would effect a GPA is how many credits the class holds (1 credit or 2 or 3 etc..)</p>
<p>Yes, that is my understanding also, Dcho711. That is why I don't understand the comments by yazzz.</p>