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<p>I'll actually have to disagree with a previous poster.</p>

<p>Obviously I'm banking on anecdotes and not statistics. But I'd say that personality is more of a way to distinguish between candidates at schools that send multiple kids to top schools. Schools with the academic capacity to send that many kids to such schools are going to offer an academic experience that is highly critical and subjective in nature. At those schools, because students are theoretically cloistered around the upper end of the grading spectrum, intelligence isn't linear. Schools know that these schools do an excellent job of preparing most of their kids for college, and yet for diversity's sake, they cannot accept every applicant from even the best schools.</p>

<p>To get accepted to a top school from the top hs, you can't just have stats. Those are practically included once you're in the top X% of your hs. They want to see that you have taken every opportunity to YOUR best advantage, instead of just taking what's handed to you without thought. When schools see someone who has become someone noteworthy with their school's resources, that becomes personality and may be the tipping point in a decision.</p>

<p>At less prestigious schools, intelligence tends to be more linear. There may not be a big difference between the val and sal, but the top 5% is drastically different from second quartile. Colleges know this, and so only a few, if any, kids from such schools are generally considered for admission to top colleges (or even apply in the first place). To be ready for college academics, one has to prove themselves capable with objective criteria like GPA, SATs, and class rank.</p>

<p>Caltech maybe?</p>

<p>C is Columbia. HYPC = Harvard Yale Princeton Columbia. CHYMPS = Columbia Harvard Yale MIT Princeton Stanford. Caltech's good but I wouldn't say top 6 good.</p>

<p>aznfishy: Yeah, C is for Columbia.</p>

<p>Columbia is in the same group as Brown, Penn, Duke, Dartmouth, Caltech, Amherst, Williams. etc. All can lay claim to being "top ten," none of them to top 5 (HYPSM).</p>

<p>Well I guess that's your opinion but in terms of general "prestige" -I don't know how else to put it- Columbia easily tops Caltech, Cornell, Chicago, etc. Easily. Columbia went through a crazy period in the 60s with the riots and the surrounding city being bad but if not for that, it would be more like HYC today. Or at least HYPC. Not just HYP.</p>

<p>Columbia's endowment is 1/4-1/6th the size of HYP. Its about 1/5 as rich per undergrad student. It places into top programs at a lower rate than HYP by a considerable margin. Its avg SAT scores are about 70 points lower. etc.</p>

<p>Columbia is more prestigious than the other Cs, but its not HYP.</p>

<p>Nah you're right it's not quite. But if you'll look I said that IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE SIXTIES, it'd be HYC today. Not that it IS HYC today.</p>

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<p>Thirteen schools can be "top ten"?</p>

<p>Pretty much.</p>

<p>Hype Hype Hype Hype Hype Hype Hype</p>

<p>Those claiming Columbia or Cornell or Chicago cannot be serious about that? Caltech has the absolutely smartest students on the planet! Whether undergraduate or graduate, Caltech is higher rated than Columbia, Cornell or Chicago.</p>

<p>Caltech OWNS the C in CHYMPS. And most people attending HYPS could not possibly qualify to attend Caltech, nor would they survive if they somehow were admitted. Do you people actually know <em>anything</em> about Caltech?</p>

<p>Next you'll be saying the M is not MIT, but Morehouse College.</p>

<p>I think we've established it's Columbia. See page 2, posts 23 and 24, by the OP.</p>

<p>Actually it is indeed quite easy to say Columbia or Chicago. You must be underestimating their prestige. On a world level, ide say definitely that they surpass CalTech in prestige. </p>

<p>Not that Nobel Prizes is some almighty way of ranking a school, but you must know that Columbia has the most Nobel prize winners of any school in the world. Chicago has 4th most (82...harvard has 83) (Columbia, Cambridge, Harvard, Chicago).</p>

<p>Admissions wise tho, yeah, in that case C has to be Caltech. Columbia is incredibly competetive now, but their applicants/matriculating classes arent quite the academic calibur as Caltech, harvard, etc.</p>

<p>Don't mean to be harsh DunninLA but it smells strongly like you're confusing reality with what you wish were reality. When I first heard about CHYMPS I asked, what does it stand for? And I was told unanimously by all three people I asked: Columbia Harvard Yale MIT Princeton Stanford. And when I posted this I meant Columbia Harvard Yale MIT Princeton Stanford. So you can love Caltech all you want -it's def a fantastic school and an underrated one IMO- but that doesn't change the reality that the C in CHYMPS stands for Columbia.</p>

<p>So after having clarified that does anyone have any more to offer about the original post?</p>

<p>speaking from personal experience, I don't think that CalTech is very well known at all. From overseas, Midwest, and East Coast, (all of the regions in which I lived in), CalTech wasn't as well known as MIT, HYP, or even Columbia. No doubt, I am aware that the caliber of CalTech students is second to none and their rigor is above any other school, yet, CalTech doesn't have that laymen prestige in many parts of the globe. (which leads me to say that CalTech is somewhat underrated)</p>

<p>Poupoupidou,</p>

<p>Yes, I realize the <em>you</em> meant Columbia after your clarification. And I realize three posters informed you it meant Columbia when you first asked. However, I believe you were wrongly informed.</p>

<p>I googled CHYMPS after all the posters thought it was Chicago, Cornell, Columbia or Caltech. It seems that this acronym is of recent invention, and that other discussion bulletin boards have hashed this out and concluded on Caltech. I cannot remember why the consensus coalesced around that, but that is what I noticed.</p>

<p>Beyond that, let's look at intent. The acronym CHYMPS is a placeholder for the highest ranked schools in the U.S. Usually undergrad.</p>

<p>Let's look at undergrad rankings -- is Columbia <em>ever</em> ranked ahead of Caltech?</p>

<p>1- USNWR: Caltech 5, Columbia 9.
2- Cross Admit battles: Caltech 2, Columbia 8. SSRN-A</a> Revealed Preference Ranking of U.S. Colleges and Universities by Christopher Avery, Mark Glickman, Caroline Hoxby, Andrew Metrick
3- Student testing -- ave. 25-75 SAT: Caltech #1 (1510), Columbia tied for #9 (1445).</p>

<p>Then, if you decide to go to graduate rankings (which is probably not the intent with this acronym), in the three subject areas in which Caltech offers Ph.D.s in the NRC rankings, it is #6. Columbia, across its fiive areas, averages #13 -- if engineering is removed, Columbia averages a #9 rank). NRC</a> Rankings</p>

<p>So I cannot find a single criterion in which, wanting to find the C that fits "the six highest ranking colleges in the U.S.", Columbia would fit remotely as well as Caltech.</p>

<p>I submit the three respondents to your question were simply... wrong.</p>

<p>Poupoupidou wrote: "...you're confusing reality with what you wish were reality"</p>

<p>Well, I've actually got no dog in this fight other than the desire for clear communication. I went to Stanford and UCLA.</p>

<p>patlees88 -- I'm glad you acknowledge the caliber of student at Caltech is second to none (with Harvey Mudd a close second). The acronym CHYMPS will never be found anywhere except in conversation among people who are intimately familiar with elite colleges. Therefore, the C in CHYMPS will always stand for the highest rank C college among insiders, not the general public. We're the ones using the acronyms to save time speaking among each other. And we who use the term know that Caltech is higher ranked than Columbia in all rankings. <em>We</em> know CHYMPS stands for the six highest ranking colleges in the U.S.</p>

<p>My question is why add Columbia. Its like asking for HYPD or HYPP or HYPB.</p>