<p>To clarify, I do not want to know the total applicants accepted to each of these schools added together. I know of only ONE student who applied to all of these and then received acceptance to all of them. And I wondered how many others do a similar feat each year? </p>
<p>(Even if the statistics are from last year rather than this, it would be helpful).<br>
And yes, I realize not all phenomenal students apply to all 5 of these schools, but I am asking about those students who DID apply to all 5, how many gained acceptance to all 5?</p>
<p>Anyone keep or know where to find such a statistic? Thanks!</p>
<p>But xiggi: in our celebrity worship society, can’t you understnd why the OP wants to discover these demi-gods? I mean , surely examining their EC list, their study habits, their favorite anime movies will be immensely useful, right? </p>
<p>I mean, c’mon! That’s some good stuff there! We need to find them. And find them NOW!</p>
<p>Not fair. Nor accurate. I am asking “after the fact” - not “before the fact”. The student I know NEVER (to the very best of my knowledge - including asking her) ever posted such questions as “chance me” or any of the sorts of “nonsense” you proposed. She quietly and humbly achieved the above and in conversation with her parents (who are also exceptionally humble, but also extremely proud, and rightly so) I discovered she gained acceptance to all of the above. As a parent to a child who got accepted to a number of fine schools but did not apply to all of the HYPSM schools, I was just very curious just how rare my friend’s daughter’s accomplishment was, and after speaking to others in my circle, they shared my interest, but none could find this data anywhere online, so I offered to post it and to share any legitimate responses.</p>
<p>And with all due respect to your both being “senior members”, I hope you will excuse me if I opt not to share either of yours, xiggi and T26E4. Also, I’m not really sure where your “chip” comes from, but I’m sorry you both seem to have one. </p>
<p>And by the way, I just spoke to the student I know and she 1) does NOT consider herself a “demi-god” – just an exceedingly hard working (and yes, lucky) student, 2) not only doesn’t HAVE a favorite “anime movie” but wasn’t 100% sure she knew what that was, but so much for your “stereotypes”, right? </p>
<p>And T26E4 – aren’t you an admissions personnel or college interviewer of some sort? (just thought I got that from your other posts) – If so, shame on you! You should know better than most that not all students (Ivy League or otherwise) can be lumped into a single category, nor should students or parents of students SEEKING ADMISSION INFO be lumped into the same. You “assumed” you knew my “reasoning” for asking, but you have NO CLUE. And frankly, in this case, my reasons have no baring on asking a simple question of statistical fact!</p>
<p>Humm, where does that come from? You asked a question about HYPSM and I answered that you will not find such data. I added some of the reasons why such data would not be compiled. In addition, you would have to factor the impact of SCEA at most of the schools on your list, and assume a number of students did NOT decide to go further in the admissions cycles. You could play with the yields and try to identify some basic numbers.</p>
<p>But again, I do not see why anyone would invest much time in such trivial information, except for the rare enrollment manager who might be interested in redefining the admission model at his or her school.</p>
<p>I agree that there would be no way to gather the data. Most students who could qualify for entry into all five schools would choose one early action/decision school, and, once admitted, most likely avoid completing all the rest of the applications. </p>
<p>In the case a student needed to compare financial aid, she might apply to all regular decision.</p>
<p>The rarity of applying to all five due to the vast differences in geography, programs, and campus culture would limit the candidates capable of winning acceptance at all. </p>
<p>One would also have to factor the “hook” element into the data. If a student is a URM, legacy, development case, or olympic ahtlete, that factor would certainly sway the results.</p>
<p>fauve, “I agree that there would be no way to gather the data. Most students who could qualify for entry into all five schools would choose one early action/decision school, and, once admitted, most likely avoid completing all the rest of the applications”. </p>
<p>Mmm… not trying to be “difficult”, not playing “devil’s advocate”, and to be clear, I am NOT in admissions, so maybe some of you know better than me, but I don’t understand why you think or believe the above? Granted my sample size is only my son’s senior class which is only several hundred students, but virtually EVERY kid I know who applied to one Ivy League early (or MIT, Stanford, etc) AND GOT IN - ALSO APPLIED TO SEVERAL OTHER SCHOOLS RD. Why? Because they were not only academically smart but smart enough to realize that at age 17 and early on in the process, they were not 100% certain and wanted options to compare. I WISH colleges didn’t wait for a 3-4 week period in April to have Preview weeks, but speaking for my son only, he felt he HAD to apply to several so he could attend each one’s preview days to get a better sense of each school beyond their usual campus tour. Make sense? Why do you believe a student would ONLY apply to an “early action school” like Princeton, Harvard, MIT or Cal Tech, just to name a few?</p>
<p>And yes, I realize it’s a hassle and no fun to fill out additional apps, but trust me, most students who worked hard enough to get INTO multiple Ivy’s don’t usually shirk away from putting in a little extra (or a LOT extra effort) and were likely willing to fill out a few extra apps. Again, just my opinion - I don’t have scientific data.</p>
<p>By the way, it’s likely not “trivial” to the students who achieved this and just wondered how many others did so. Don’t you think Nobel Prize winners are privy to know how many others won, or won in their category? Don’t athletes like to compare their own personal records with those from other schools or those that came before them? Don’t students like to know their “rank” in their own school?</p>
<p>Why is the students’ or parents’ of these Ivy bound students desire to know how common or rare their achievement is, any different?</p>
<p>The issue is not if it is trivial to the applicant. Or trivial to his friends or family. You asked about the availability of data, and admitted you could not find it. I tried to help you understand that such data is not compiled as it does not represent a useful set of datapoints. Again, this was in answer to your question about finding such statistics. This is based on my interest and experience in compiling and analyzing admission data for a decade. </p>
<p>The closest one has come to is to conclude that from the 300,000 applications to the eight Ivies plus Stanford and MIT --what I call the Ivies Plus-- the number of unique applications is probably just below 200,000. Trying to collate data about how many students happen to not only apply to all five HYPSM schools but earn an acceptance is a fool’s errand. Short of calling it incredibly small, there is just not much else to do.</p>
<p>Again, you could build a probability table by assigning different yield values to the SCEA and EA pool and to the RD pool and play the combination game with the 5 yields at HYPSM.</p>
<p>“it’s likely not “trivial” to the students who achieved this and just wondered how many others did so.”</p>
<p>Why is this considered an achievement? It is more like trophy hunting. </p>
<p>Many do not find commonality between all 5 schools and so do not actually choose to apply to all. OTOH, I personally know a few who got into HPS or HPSM and waitlisted at Y. In the end, they all attend ONE school.</p>
<p>I guess we run in different circles and I can see the students I know smiling at this because they not only got INTO several of these schools (and like I said, one got into 5 plus), but they ARE struggling (in making a final choice) as each school DOES have aspects they like and fit, and no ONE school is “perfect”. For example, one student has an interest in finance and science and at least one liberal arts interest and can easily see themselves at any of the schools for all sorts of reasons - perhaps one or two DO fit better academically, but not necessarily socially; one may fit better socially but is far from ideal geographically, and so on. I don’t know if you currently have any children going through the process, but if YOUR kids had an easy time making a decision, and it turned out to be a good one, then consider yourself and them VERY lucky indeed. Sure, having to choose from among great schools is a “good problem” to have - nonetheless, it doesn’t minimize its difficulty.</p>
<p>But digressing off topic. “Trophy hunting” - nah, that’s what many of these kids did to GET into these schools to begin with. :-)) Why is it so hard to believe that many of these 200,000 or whatever students genuinely applied to all 5 plus because 1) they saw that any could be a good to great fit, and 2) they didn’t know which if any (beyond their EA choice IF they got accepted to that one) they would be accepted to. </p>
<p>Sooooo, most importantly, the fact that a student was well rounded AND/OR well lopsided enough to get into ALL FIVE plus of the most competitive schools in our country (and the one I know did it without benefit of being an URM, legacy, billionaire, or athlete, etc.) is INDEED A MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR (WISH I HAD A BIGGER FONT) ACHIEVEMENT, YES, INDEED, AN ACHIEVEMENT, and to try to minimize that in any way, shape, or form to make others “feel better” is completely absurd and unfair. Do you think being accepted to a single Ivy League school is an achievement? If no, then I’d bet a couple hundred thousand people would “beg to differ”, and if “yes”, then why wouldn’t you feel getting into 5 or more to be just as if not a greater one?</p>
<p>I have to agree that it’s whacky and trophy hunting AND a perfect example of the weird hold “IVY League” has on people. </p>
<p>These schools, were they NOT playing in the same football conference, would be just more top level schools. Brown and Cornell are vastly different. Penn and Princeton share the letter P and general excellence but one is more pre-professional than the other. Some are in cities, some in boondocks. Dartmouth and Harvard are both northeast-ish, I guess.</p>
<p>I just think there is absolutely no reason to apply to every Ivy, Stanford, MIT and Chicago unless your criteria is simply prestige.</p>
<p>Gather up applicant lists for HYPSM schools for the class of 2017. Pester and threaten admissions officers until they concede all 30000+ applicant names to you. Call everyone. Ask them if they applied to the other four schools. If yes to all five, ask them if they got accepted to all five. Keep a spreadsheet open to record data. Profit.</p>
<p>Three other options:
Hire about 500 other people to help you to make this feasible.
Hire about 2000 other people to help you to make this feasible.
<p>“BIGGER FONT” - They are available if you only knew how but certain CC officials will be mighty unhappy for wasting bandwidth.</p>
<p>"I guess we run in different circles and I can see the students I know smiling at this because they not only got INTO several of these schools (and like I said, one got into 5 plus), "</p>
<p>If you fall into certain SES grouping with high stats and accomplishments, you receive likely letters. You also receive likely letters from every school in the nation where you have applied if you win the Intel prize (you do have to care enough to apply though). </p>
<p>Let us know when they figure out how to attend all 5. That truly would be a some what of a major achievement.</p>
<p>Frus13
Good Grief! You’re a PARENT?
You sure arent acting like a mature adult…
trying to find out how many kids got into 5 particular colleges is the kind of thing that envious Ivy wannabe students do. not usually parent on CC…
and bragging about all the top schools one was accepted by IS considered trophy hunting…
There are a lot of kids who did not get into the colleges they were hoping for, and most students lucky enough to get multiple acceptances at top colleges are probably not bragging about it- hopefully because they are both smart and also sensitive to the feelings of their less lucky friends. …</p>
<p>I am really afraid to ask this question, but here we go. What is YOUR purpose to obtain this datapoint? Be honest … what will YOU do with that newly acquired knowledge? What if the answer is say 16? </p>
<p>I am afraid to ask because I doubt I will like the answer? Will you buy some extra preppy jacket that has the five logos on the sleeve? Or will you learn the secret handshake for each school? </p>
<p>I truly hope you realize that this type of action will only triggers sneers and scornful looks in your audience. For some reason, you seem to think that people who have responded here have no clue about getting into those schools, or are running in lower “circles.” Trust me, many members here on CC have a large panoply of honor badges. They simply do not feel the need to put them on display. </p>
<p>In a way, that question reminds me of the kids (and they had the excuse of being children) who asked about the following items? </p>
<p>How many 1636 are there in the country? As in 1600 SAT/36 ACT
Soon after someone asked about the 4036. Yes, As in 1600 plus 36 plus 3 x 800 SATII
The poor guys were soon dwarfed by the real heroes. The 4836ers. The 2400 SAT plus 36 ACT plus 2x800 on the SATII. </p>
<p>And then there was a new King! Or so he thought, as it soon became 4836 with a perfect 12 on the essay. Now, that WAS perfection, he thought. Only to be beheaded by the 4836 plus 12 plus the necessary Intel Finalist status. </p>
<p>Is there a lesson in those silly (and almost real) stories? Yes, there is always somebody who did just a bit more and a bit faster and bit better. </p>
<p>Do yourself a favor! Stop agonizing about the number and size of the admission trophies. Or about the happiness at Princeton. Or about the preppy dresscode at Harvard Yard. </p>
<p>Your query’s not that bad. I’ve seen a lot worse. Anyway no one knows for sure but the answer is very small. If the average odds for the average student who applied was 20% per school then the odds of getting accepted to all 5 schools is about 1 in 3000. If you want to goose up the odds of acceptance to 50% per school then its 31 in 1000.</p>
<p>(For the petulant-this is all assumptive probability analysis. I have no back up. But it gives a good idea just how small the number will likely be)</p>
<p>I assume at the very least a 2300 SAT and/or some extraoridinary hook that puts even Somalian refugee to shame, no offense to Somalian refugees, just the first thing that comes to mind.</p>