<p>"CCers complain on the dumbest things."
and is complaining which asian is or isn't an URM a dumb thing?
You can't change it anyway, and life is unfair.
deal w/ it.</p>
<p>Boo Hoo, I'm Chinese.</p>
<p>I'm not denying that these specific Asian ethnicities may be in a better position than say, Chinese or Korean applicants, etc. However, I do not think they are at an advantage, and if they had one it is certainly not as significant as the advantage black, hispanic and native american applicants get. </p>
<p>To my next point, none of us are going to change each others' minds at this point. You think maybe this thread could cease soon, it's wasted energy on a stupid and worthless argument. Who's a URM, OMG, such a big deal....wow, maybe if you're really in the mood to debate you could do it about a more significant topic.</p>
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What? Are you saying that Vietnamese aren't as smart as the Chinese or Koreans?
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<p>Some Vietnamese are incredibly accomplished individuals. One even drafted your USA PATRIOT Act.</p>
<p>But the fact of the matter is, we're not as academically strong on average as the average Chinese and Korean. Not even close. I will fully admit this, and I don't see why you should have a problem with that statement. </p>
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and is complaining which asian is or isn't an URM a dumb thing?
You can't change it anyway, and life is unfair.
deal w/ it.
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<p>No, he was complaining about posts debating over whether or not Taiwan is a legit nation. Hey what can I tell you, some Chinese people are really passionate about this issue.</p>
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What are all the typical Asian traits - could you just sum up?
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<p>I can't list them all, obviously. But here are some I think would be valid:</p>
<p>1) Good at Math
2) Very passive; not aggressive - takes orders and does not hit back
3) Extremely risk averse</p>
<p>Obviously, these are stereotypes.</p>
<p>i am from south korea which means i am at a disadvantage.
hmm..but how about north koreans?
i mean, IF they were allowed to enter the united states or any other foreign country.</p>
<p>Or, we could ignore my post and go on with this senseless arguing. yup</p>
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The Le sisters learned about universities from a program called "Passport," offered by a regional nonprofit group that provides tutoring for promising low- to moderate-income high school students.
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<p>BigBrother,
From the article, it smells lower social economic status to me. </p>
<p>I don't want to go into specific but where I'm from there are tons of Vietnamese that are well educated and some with 2400 first time. However I do know of one, who graduated as a valedictorian at a schools that send many students to Ivies, was waitlisted at Harvard. So let's not get too carried away.Let's not speak for the rest of the Vietnamese group even if you are Vietnamese.</p>
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BigBrother,
From the article, it smells lower social economic status to me.
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<p>It does, but that's precisely why I brought up the point about the Caribbean Nationals and Africans. Cognitive bias - when you think of African Americans, you usually don't think of well-to-do, extremely educated families. You think of impoverished, under-performing 'gangstas'. It goes to show that perceived racial biases connect with socioeconomics. <em>Certain</em> ethnic groups are "poor" so therefore, they get an admissions boost.</p>
<p>But that also proposes the question, if a Chinese or White person had similar circumstances, would he still get the same preferential treatment?</p>
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Let's not speak for the rest of the Vietnamese group even if you are Vietnamese.
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<p>I see people here speaking for African Americans and Native Americans, so I don't see a problem with speaking for my own ethnicity.</p>
<p>green day fan, u are correct. they are just not as bad a position as koreans, Chinese, Taiwanese, Japanese...etc, but still not an "advantage"</p>
<p>big brother,
i think he was referring to how arguing some asians have advantage and some disadvantage (by friedrice) is as stupid as whether Taiwan is a country or not.</p>
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big brother,
i think he was referring to how arguing some asians have advantage and some disadvantage (by friedrice) is as stupid as whether Taiwan is a country or not.
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<p>You think, but I am certain that the OP would not ridicule the thread he started.</p>
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green day fan, u are correct. they are just not as bad a position as koreans, Chinese, Taiwanese, Japanese...etc, but still not an "advantage"
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<p>I think there's little dispute that wealthy and generally intelligent "URMs" (like the Caribbeans and Africans) have a solid advantage in the admissions game. But if these other asians are not in "as bad a position," then wouldn't you call that an advantage as well?</p>
<p>Africans are not URMs.</p>
<p>"Africans are not URMs"</p>
<p>What? Are you talking about Africans in a US or Africans in Africa.</p>
<p>Africans from Africa :P</p>
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Africans are not URMs.
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<p>Yeah they are! They can just check off "African American" on the application and it's not like anyone can tell!</p>
<p>No they can't?!?</p>
<p>sorry i havent read all of the posts so i dont know if this has been posted but what about the middleastern countries that technically are asian and will be considered asian?</p>
<p>URMs: African A., Hispanics, N. Americans
ORMs: Chinese, Koreans, Japanese,
Vietnamese and Europeans: no clue</p>
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sorry i havent read all of the posts so i dont know if this has been posted but what about the middleastern countries that technically are asian and will be considered asian?
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<p>From my bias, I think Middle Eastern people are either 'ORMs' or nothing. I really don't think they're 'URMs' though.</p>
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URMs: African A., Hispanics, N. Americans
ORMs: Chinese, Koreans, Japanese,
Vietnamese and Europeans: no clue
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<p>I would say you're about right, except that certain asian ethnic groups can be considered as implicit URMs. Depending on the circumstance, there can be an admissions boost for these people. I think we'll settle it at that.</p>
<p>OP, you are wrong. Asians never have any advantage. Asians fill schools. Hispanics and Blacks don't. They are the only 2 URMs.</p>
<p>kennyk616, Taiwan didn't 'decide' to leave the UN. That would be such a stupid decision. </p>
<p>"The representative of the Republic of China stated that the rejection of draft resolution A/L.632 and Add. l and 2 calling for a two-thirds majority was a flagrant violation of the Charter which governed the expulsion of Member States and that the delegation of the Republic of China had decided not to take part in any further proceedings of the General Assembly. Technically, since this was an issue of recognition brought before the General Assembly rather than a petition for expulsion brought before the Security Council, the ROC was not expelled. The UN merely recognized the PRC as the legal government to represent China. ROC still exists to this day not as the legal government of China but rather as a rebel government in the unfinished Chinese Civil War. Today's legal status of ROC was exactly that of PRC before 1971."</p>
<p>I never said Taiwan SHOULDN'T be regarded as a country. I said that's the case in the international community even though Taiwan is a de facto nation. Legally speaking, Taiwan still formally believes that it has sovereignty over the mainland, and Mongolia. Dot dot dot. You said the only reason Taiwan isn't independent because Communist China will kill anyone that's pro-democracy. I'd say the reason is mainland China's enormous economic and military power compared to Taiwan's that no country that has trade relations with China would meddle in Chinese domestic affairs, something the Communist party hates.</p>
<p>"You can believe in whatever you want." what a pointless statement. Thanks for the permission.</p>
<p>"but it only shows that in international politics people are still trying to bully each other by brutal force rather than sensable and logical reasoning"</p>
<p>Brute force implies violent action and that really hasn't happened on a large scale. ROC tends in engage in money diplomacy to get the support of those small counties like Panama. I think it's perfectly sensible, from the standpoint of a large country other than China, to not recognize Taiwan as a country, if only to appease mainland China and keep peaceful trade relations. Whether China's policy is sensible is entirely another question.</p>
<p>"The reason "Taiwan" is more commonly used is because the government wants to be known publicly, thus compromised."</p>
<p>Then why is it when Chen Shui-bian visited the Vatican and Panama, he visited as "The President of China" and not the "President of Taiwan." Taiwan is used because it would be confusing, and in some cases is not permitted, to use the Republic of China.</p>
<p>"but whatever, I probably can spend my time much wiser doing something else than debating over a topic that my oponent knows nothing about."</p>
<p>I concur. Keep using ad hominems. It doesn't provoke me at all to argue more. [/sarcasm]</p>