<p>You guys seem to assume that AA will get you into a college if you dont have the stats
The percentage of URMs in colleges is enough to tell that AA alone does not get you into colleges.</p>
<p>Also as discussed before Historically black universities are called that because when they were formed the black pop in other schools was terrible or nonexistent. We dont have the need for the name historically white universities because most Universities are just that. The name would be overkill</p>
<p>I am not making things up about harvard. I am a Penn and Exeter college-OX guy-- I am only stating what I heard and read. I have never attended Harvard;therefore I don't not understand the scholarship/FA process.</p>
<p>There are many others like the one above.</p>
<p>"Gracislisie, I am affronted that you have the temerity to stereotype all Blacks as being ignorant and dimwitted on Ivy league campuses"</p>
<p>can you not read or something? that university must not have very high literacy standards, Gacislisie specifically said:</p>
<p>" (not all, please notice I did not say all)"</p>
<p>Oh, I see. Maybe Harvard gives scholarship $ for internationals; I'm not sure.</p>
<p>AA defeats the purpose of the college application process and all my years of hard work just because im white...end of story</p>
<p>If your credentials actually meet everything then the top colleges will consider you end of story. However if you choose to just blame your failure on someone else maybe the reason you dont get in is some top colleges dont look for that specific quality?</p>
<p>ooo pleaaaase, if you choose to chime in, at least bring something completely factual to the table guy.</p>
<p>AA is exactly that, its a loophole for certain groups to get into college even though their stats may be lacking. It hurts people like myself in some colleges because I am just like the majority of their school. </p>
<p>It isnt because my stats arent up to par its because AA candidates take up spots that would be filled with otherwise qualified candidates.</p>
<p>Nalcon. I know Gracislise did not directly make this remark; the remark was made by certain phantom friends of his or students on campuses.
If it acts like a duck it is a duck. Gracislise was not man enough to state how he feels about Blacks; consequently, therefore, he had to use Phantoms.</p>
<p>uhhh what!? Guy, no one here is saying anything about blacks. Stop thinking the world is anti-black.</p>
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Gracislisie, I am affronted that you have the temerity to stereotype all Blacks as being ignorant and dimwitted on Ivy league campuses. For your information you could never have attended my University in the UK. Rejects from the mentioned University end up getting full Harvard scholarships.</p>
<p>The same way you look at Blacks at your colleges, lecturers in England consider some White Americans as lacking a good verbal economy.
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Please explain to me how commenting that a lot of intelligent students make themselves appear less intelligent by speaking incorrectly is calling them ignorant? I made absoutely no assertion on the relative intelligence of any race in my original post.</p>
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Gracislise was not man enough to state how he feels about Blacks; consequently, therefore, he had to use Phantoms.
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Rollo, I have absolutely no issue with blacks whatsoever. I was just remarking on the interactions between students of various races that I have observed in the short while I have been on campus. But don't expect me to return to this thread to read whatever mis-interpretation you make of this post - if we can't have a serious, mature discussion about the positive and negatives of affirmative action, I see no reason to stoop to your level and hurl insults at each other.</p>
<p>Also, I am female.</p>
<p>" Gracislise was not man enough to state how he feels about Blacks; consequently, therefore, he had to use Phantoms."</p>
<p>No. he made it clear he disagrees with the people he knows who claim many blacks got in only because of AA. He then makes the point that what isn't helping this impression is the use of mannerisms and language that some blacks, notice that he had the intelligence to recognize that it doesn't apply to all blacks, use.</p>
<p>well said gracilisae</p>
<p>Doogie if youve got the correct stats you have as good a chance as anyone.........quit blaming your possible failure on others....youll get into the college of your choice if you deserve it (well thats the idea)
as I said before at the top schools being a URM is not enough to get you in.</p>
<p>"Doogie if youve got the correct stats you have as good a chance as anyone"</p>
<p>I can understand people who approve of affirmative action but this statement is completely false. Legacies, Native Americans, Hispanics, and Blacks with the same stats as him will have a much better chance of getting into an ivy (I'm assuming Doogie is none of the above)</p>
<p>yeah but doogie is saying that people with LESS stats will get in instead of him.....same stats is a different battlefield all together.
If they have the same stats then its either a diffrence or a flip of a coin :P that wll get one or the other in</p>
<p>no im not...when did u decide to be me.....u have such a warped view of things its rediculous. AA helps people because of their skin color</p>
<p>"yeah but doogie is saying that people with LESS stats will get in instead of him.....same stats is a different battlefield all together.
If they have the same stats then its either a diffrence or a flip of a coin :P that wll get one or the other in"</p>
<p>Here are stats of two students who applied to Harvard from my school last year:</p>
<p>1) African American male
1450 SAT
3.9 GPA
Decent but not spectacular ECs
Accepted</p>
<p>2) Asian Indian male
1590 SAT
4.0 GPA
Decent but not spectacular ECs
Rejected (not even wait listed)</p>
<p>gracilisae! I apologize if I insulted you in anyway. I am not impertinent;
I am an advocate for affirmative action although I was never able to use it.
Please, do not leave this thread on my account.</p>
<p>"yeah but doogie is saying that people with LESS stats will get in instead of him.....same stats is a different battlefield all together.
If they have the same stats then its either a diffrence or a flip of a coin :P that wll get one or the other in"</p>
<p>Here are stats of two students who applied to Harvard from my school last year:</p>
<p>1) African American male
1450 SAT
3.9 GPA
Decent but not spectacular ECs
Accepted</p>
<p>2) Asian Indian male
1590 SAT
4.0 GPA
Decent but not spectacular ECs
Rejected (not even wait listed)</p>
<p>Both applied RD</p>
<p>well do you know everything about the both of them? maybe the african-american had something that set him apart. Maybe the Asian Indian had a bad essay. You know every single aspect of their life and application?</p>
<p>Doogie when did i ever say I was like you?
and if your going to debate something Id suggest you spell your words correctly (unless you meant to do that for some reason?)</p>