<p>im just trying to level the playing field, i love debating this os stuff.</p>
<p>people have been attacking antivirus software lately, because seriously, how badass is that? people started to attack macs more recently because the commercials asked for it.</p>
<p>osx and windows are both bloated, rightfully so. ethics, im goin to seas, so forget that class. i like my software free. and ive used the bundled software, and its nothing big.</p>
<p>A 30 day trial is included with the Mac but the full version isn't. Your best bet is indeed to buy it with your computer at the penn store.</p>
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Ethics class started at Wharton because they were viewed as most likely to diverge from them. Perhaps it's time they looked at the ethics of the SEAS kids as well...in a perfect world, ethics isn't something that needs any class, but is universally known and respected.</p>
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Right, and I'd like a BMW for free too. But if you take something that costs money and don't pay for it, it is theft. Which is a) illegal and b) wrong. </p>
<p>Pirated software is just as morally reprehensible as walking into the store and stealing the box. It doesn't matter whether "other people do it all the time." I am not other people. I am an Ivy Leaguer and I hold myself to a higher standard.</p>
<p>But people were saying some of the Wharton software is NOT compatible with Macs. What can you say about this JohnnyK? Are there any Wharton students that would consider themselves disadvantaged by Macs?</p>
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<p>Perhaps before, but not now. The Mac now has an Intel processor and can run Windows for that rare moment when you need to run that one wretched program, whatever it may be. Then when you're done you can switch back to Mac happiness</p>
<p>if ur gonna have to run one windows on ur mac to run that 'one wretched program' which isnt supported on macs, why spend the extra money on a mac and then the windows os when a pc with windows can accomplish it all.</p>
<p>paying 500 dollars for software is theft. if u dont like bootlegs, for almost all mainstream, costy, software there is a (better) freeware version, word included. i imagin u buy ur music in itunes johnny.</p>
<p>miishu-</p>
<p>Some of us are trying to get answers to legitimate questions here before classes begin. Since you don't seem to be interested in anything more than starting a childish spat over which system is better and are not honestly intersted in purchasing a mac, perhaps your participation would be more fulfilling on a different user group.</p>
<p>JohnnyK: some of us still have questions about using the MacBook or MacBook Pro at Wharton. My list of questions still includes:</p>
<p>compatability with Crystal Ball - can I run this successfully thru bootcamp/xp?</p>
<p>will apple be releasing a newer MBP between now and the end of August? Should I wait to buy? Begin preterm w/ my mac PBG412" ?</p>
<p>Printing wirelessly in Hunstman Hall - will I be able to do this thru bootcamp/xp?</p>
<p>If I run into networking, etc difficulties b/c Wharton has no Mac support will you be able to assist me?</p>
<p>Thank you - would really appreciate your assistance on this as time is running down.</p>
<p>osolito, please understand im trying to level the mac bias, sorry if i got out of hand. if u want a mac go ahead, im gonna go do something productive.</p>
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<p>JohnnyK: some of us still have questions about using the MacBook or MacBook Pro at Wharton. My list of questions still includes:</p>
<p>compatability with Crystal Ball - can I run this successfully thru bootcamp/xp?
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<p>Yes</p>
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<p>Traditionaly a product refresh for the holiday season comes between October and November. If you want to wait until the Holiday models come out, you can, but as you know, you can't run Boot Camp on a PBG4. Also Apple's Back to school 2006 promo gets you a free iPod nano, and that's sweet.</p>
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<p>I never saw the point in printing if you're not next to the printer in a public place, but yes, it will work in Boot Camp. Any piece of software that runs on a PC will run on a Mac running Boot Camp, because when booting into Windows, it is literally a PC.</p>
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<p>Of course, that's what I'm here for. Hope this helps you out!</p>
<p>JohnnyK, as a Wharton student, do you think it's worthwhile for me to buy the Mac, and then buy a copy of Windows so that I can run my Wharton programs? And if yes, why is it worth that expense?</p>
<p>Also, I have a reinstallation CD for the Dell I have now (the CD has the Dell logo on it). Would that work to install Windows on a Mac? Or would I actually have to buy another copy?</p>
<p>Sweetnsarah, you know I still think it's worthwhile, because using the Mac will be a much more easy, hassle-free, virus-free, spyware-free, and plain enjoyable experience for the 23 hours a day in which you don't need the Wharton programs. The LAST thing you want is for a virus to eat your paper 2 hours before it's due...the peace of mind that using a Mac gives you is well worth the difference in price</p>
<p>Yes it will cost more to buy a Mac and then Windows on top of that. But better things in life tend to cost more. a BMW is more expensive than a Kia because BMW spent a lot more money engineering it to near-perfection. Same goes for Apple's computers. When you only make 2 laptop lines instead of 12, you can focus on those two and elevate them to a similar level of greatness, convenience, and beauty.</p>
<p>Also the MacBook is ridiculously durable ;)</p>
<p>If the Dell CD has Windows XP SP2, then it might work</p>
<p>i feel like i should hop in here on teh installation cd...</p>
<p>its possible that it will mess up the installation on ur current dell (copyright), u can probably get a crack. if you want to get into ethics, i dont believe its legal to use that installation cd, but im too lazy to get one and check. johnnys right on the 'might work', theres a meh possibility that the drivers may not be good, since the install cds made specifically for a dell. ur best bet is to buy a generic install cd, u can get pro for pretty cheap online (tigerdirect.com).</p>
<p>Thank you JohnnyK. Much appreciated :)</p>
<p>osolito</p>
<p>By the way Johnny, I got that 13" MacBook. Absolutely love it so far. </p>
<p>As for the Dell thing, it's definitely not legal. I also tried doing what you propose a couple years ago when I had to reformat a computer and had lost the CDs for it.. I used my Dell CDs instead, and the computer was pretty much fine except for the fact that it thought it was a Dell (it was really a Gateway) for the rest of its life.. not a big deal, really. I'm pretty sure you can get the Dell CDs to work.</p>
<p>I think I'm going to also make the switch. I think my final worry is getting onto networks and what-not. Is it possible to get onto them like with Windows, or is it more complicated? Would a slightly incompetent person like myself be able to figure it out, or should I make friends with computer-apt people?</p>
<p>Also, I am probably going to put Microsoft Office on my Mac. I have a copy already for my PC, but will that work on my Mac, or do I need to get a Mac edition of it?</p>
<p>ur gonna have to buy the mac version. if you dont want to pay for it, check out openoffice (<a href="http://www.openoffice.org/)%5B/url%5D">http://www.openoffice.org/)</a>, you can do prettymuch anything that you can do with msoffice with it. downside is the osx installation of it looks a tad tricky (ull need to install X11), but its 100% free. the windows installation is much simpler for those who dont want to put up the money for actual office.</p>
<p>In that case, on the Penn computer store, what's the difference between Microsoft Office 2004 Mac Student Select License and Microsoft Office 2004 Mac Student & Teacher Edition?</p>
<p>I just bought the 13" Macbook..i love it. I did add more ram (1gb) I also got the Microsoft Office 2004 Mac Student and Teacher edition. I was able to get a free printer and a video ipod for $60 (after rebate, we got a $30 discount off the ipod for turning in the broken one that son dropped at school) We also got S his Macbook pro for graduation and the free printer (with rebate) he's in heaven with garageband. Hopefully he'll use the laptop to write all those papers in a few months. D has the powerbook and is so jealous that we have the camera and ichat! UG! Guess she might need to upgrade when law school happens in a few years! IF any of your parents are teachers, Apple gives the same discount as Penn at the Apple stores or online.</p>
<p>sweetnsarah-
im not really sure, it looks like its just the liscense. student select is $50 cheaper, and its whats offered if u go to "my computer" when u log into campus express. its most probably fine</p>
<p>anyone have any problems with overheating with the new macbook?</p>