I am waitlisted

[smfmee]

<p>Does anybody know if they will look at my new test scores, or just my old application?</p>

[gstein]

<p>Just your old application. Otherwise they’d have to re-evaluate 2000+ applications. Good luck to you though, my brother was waitlisted as well.</p>

[dchipponeri]

<p>Everyone I know at my school who heard back from A&M is waitlisted.</p>

<p>I accepted or “applied” to BLINN TEAM also.</p>

<p>Does anyone know the statistics for being waitlisted at A&M? like the number of applicants who accepted the offer and then from there got admitted?</p>

[wepprop]

<p>From the TAMU Common Data Set, available from the Office of Institutional Studies and Planning ([OISP</a> - Office of Institutional Studies and Planning - Texas A&M University](<a href=“http://www.tamu.edu/opir/]OISP”>http://www.tamu.edu/opir/)), here are the waitlist statistics for the last four years:</p>

<p>Year: Offered / Accepted / Admitted
2005: 3866 / 1853 / 1109
2006: 2925 / 1278 / 1062
2007: 1808 / - / 689
2008: 981 / 357 / 260</p>

[gstein]

<p>^In response to your post, the AIS admissions website says this:</p>

<p>

Over the past three years, we have had approximately 2,000 students request consideration for admission from our wait list. The number of offers that we extend each year varies, but typically averages around 300.

</p>

<p>Those numbers I would consider more accurate. Because according to yours, in 2005 roughly 25% of the incoming freshman class was accepted from the waitlist. That seems way too high.</p>

[wepprop]

<p>Consider as you like. The numbers I quoted are from Texas A&M. They are part of the Common Data Set ([Common</a> Data Set Initiative](<a href=“http://www.commondataset.org/]Common”>http://www.commondataset.org/)) that TAMU sends to publishers such as College Board, Peterson’s, and U.S. News & World Report. They are official information. The four years in question are:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.tamu.edu/opir/reports/cds/cds05-06.xls[/url]”>http://www.tamu.edu/opir/reports/cds/cds05-06.xls&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.tamu.edu/opir/reports/cds/cds06-07.xls[/url]”>http://www.tamu.edu/opir/reports/cds/cds06-07.xls&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.tamu.edu/opir/reports/cds/cds07-08.xls[/url]”>http://www.tamu.edu/opir/reports/cds/cds07-08.xls&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.tamu.edu/opir/reports/cds/cds08-09.xls[/url]”>http://www.tamu.edu/opir/reports/cds/cds08-09.xls&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Just look near the top of tab ‘C’.</p>

<p>Also, you don’t appear to understand the difference between an admit and an enroll. In 2005, Texas A&M admitted 12,506 first time freshmen (<a href=“http://www.tamu.edu/opir/reports/student/AAE_Fa05.pdf[/url]”>http://www.tamu.edu/opir/reports/student/AAE_Fa05.pdf&lt;/a&gt;). So, those 1,109 waitlist admits were less than 9% of the total. The yield off the waitlist is likely to be lower than ‘regular’ admits, so those 1,109 waitlist admits could easily have accounted for far less actual enrolled students. Let’s say it was 500, just a guess. If so, that would only be 500 out of the total of 7,104 enrolled, or 7%.</p>

<p>As for what the AIS admissions website says, there are many possible explanations and no way to verify any of them.</p>

[dchipponeri]

<p>According A&M’s Admission website:</p>

<p>"The Office of Admissions & Records has received over 26,000 applications requesting freshmen admission.</p>

<p>A select group of applicants will be offered the opportunity to be placed on the Wait List and considered for the Blinn TEAM option.</p>

<p>Following the National Candidate’s Reply date of May 1st, the Admissions Selection Committee will evaluate the number of incoming freshmen and determine if space is available in the incoming class of 8,100 freshmen."</p>

<p>What would you say my chances are of getting admitted through the Wait List. Also, do you “apply” for Blinn? Can you be rejected?</p>

[wepprop]

<p>Regarding the waitlist, at this point, your best bet is a fortune teller.</p>

<p>Regarding Blinn TEAM, they wait until they have completed all of their full admits, including those off the waitlist. Then they decide how many Blinn TEAM students they want to admit, divide that by the yield they expect for Blinn TEAM applicants, and then offer Blinn TEAM to that many students. Last year they offered it to about 800. The Blinn TEAM presentation from last year’s Blinn TEAM New Student Conference might be useful:</p>

<p><a href=“http://tti.tamu.edu/conferences/ucr/presentations/no18.ppt[/url]”>http://tti.tamu.edu/conferences/ucr/presentations/no18.ppt&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[AggDad]

<p>Thanks wepprop for your post with the CDSI data. I find it to be very interesting stuff, especially since my daughter was just waitlisted! It’s interesting that the number of wait list offers has steadily decreased by roughly 1k per year since 2005 (~4k -> ~3k -> ~2k -> ~1k). Something tells me this is a byproduct of how competitive it’s getting to get into A&M, i.e. more automatic admits, etc. </p>

<p>Equally interesting is the declining % of accepts (those choosing to accept a spot on the wait list) over the same time period (47.9% -> 43.6% -> ? -> 36.3%). This sounds like students are getting less and less patient in pursuing admittance to A&M via the wait list option.
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Year: Offered / Accepted / Admitted**
2005: 3866 / 1853 / 1109
2006: 2925 / 1278 / 1062
2007: 1808 / - / 689
2008: 981 / 357 / 260</p>

[AggDad]

<p>It appears that the wait list is not ranked. Anyone know how they decide who on the wait list to give offers to? Maybe it’s similar to the overall admissions process for review candidates - part quantitative, part qualitative. Thanks.</p>

[wepprop]

<p>I think it’s like you said. When they say they don’t rank the waitlist they mean they don’t rack and stack everyone so that this person is #1 and that person is #2, etc. I envision it being more like: “We need to admit X more students off the waitlist to fill up the class. Here’s the stack - pick out the best X.”</p>

[dchipponeri]

<p>I find it unbelievable how many applicants got wait listed as of yesterday. Every single student at my school who is not top 10% or automatic admit was wait listed. My college counselor said this morning that in the 15 years she has been at my school, this has never happened to them. Last year, every student who applied to a&m from my school was accepted…</p>

[kmolm]

<p>i e-mailed them today about that. and they don’t number the people on wait list. they do a “re-evaluation” of some sort. i guess that is why it can take as long as mid-june to hear back. </p>

<p>i know other schools number there students. so i guess this is a little better. gives you a second chance of some sort. </p>

<p>good luck to you all.</p>

<p>i’m just a little annoyed because being from new jersey. if i do get in. housing and everything will be a little problem. cause i can’t just go look at apartments.</p>

[gstein]

<p>

Also, you don’t appear to understand the difference between an admit and an enroll. In 2005, Texas A&M admitted 12,506 first time freshmen (<a href=“http://www.tamu.edu/opir/reports/student/AAE_Fa05.pdf[/url]”>http://www.tamu.edu/opir/reports/student/AAE_Fa05.pdf&lt;/a&gt;). So, those 1,109 waitlist admits were less than 9% of the total. The yield off the waitlist is likely to be lower than ‘regular’ admits, so those 1,109 waitlist admits could easily have accounted for far less actual enrolled students. Let’s say it was 500, just a guess. If so, that would only be 500 out of the total of 7,104 enrolled, or 7%.</p>

<p>As for what the AIS admissions website says, there are many possible explanations and no way to verify any of them.

</p>

<p>I’d stick by their statistics more than those past years, I’m pretty sure the admissions office of A&M is going to know what numbers they are wanting. Besides those statistics aren’t really even consistent on a year-to-year basis.</p>

<p>P.S. I was admitted to A&M 2 years ago, and then I chose to enroll here. So don’t even begin to question my intelligence because I guessed percentages based off of your original half-complete posted numerical values. The fact is, I’ll have a minor in math next year for a reason. But thank you for your very enlightening post.</p>

[ampzor]

<p>

I’ll have a minor in math next year for a reason

</p>

<p>Wow. I couldn’t imagine minoring in math. If I hear the word “convergence”, ill kill myself.</p>

[wepprop]

<p>No need to get snarky. I’m not questioning your intelligence, just your results. Based on an accurate transcription of published TAMU waitlist data, you ‘guessed’ the ratio of waitlist admits to enrolled freshmen, which is an apples to oranges comparison. Since you do understand the difference between an admit and an enrollment, you must have just made a simple mistake.</p>

[dchipponeri]

<p>So, before any wait lists are sent out… a&m has offered admission to a certain number of students that is their target freshman class? </p>

<p>so after the offer admission to the number they target for the freshman class, is that when they start waitlisting?</p>

<p>and from there when students make their decisions on may 1st, is that when they start filling those with the top students off the wait list?</p>

[wepprop]

<p>Yes, pretty much. Last year there was a trickle of students during May who reported getting admitted off of the waitlist. Most of them seemed to be folks who just missed an automatic admit by a few points. Then, about the end of May, first of June, the Blinn TEAM admits went out.</p>

[kmolm]

<p>i accepted the wait list offer. but declined the blinn team consideration.
so does that mean i should hear in may? cause i know the admissions people said mid june is the latest. </p>

<p>also do they inform you if you didn’t make the wait list. and do we have any options to strengthen our application?</p>

[wepprop]

<p>Once they are complete with the waitlist, they will notify you that you have been denied (again). They won’t accept any additional information, just what you submitted originally.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>