I Didn't Get Into any musical theater programs. Now what? What does one do?

<p>For those of you who didn't get into any musical theater programs, you might consider taking a year off. You could work part-time, live at home, research schools that are potentially a good match for you, continue to take voice and dance lessons, do some community theater, and prepare for next year's auditions. </p>

<p>If you want it badly enough, you will make it happen. As someone else suggested, you need to develop a list of 10-12 schools that includes a few reach schools, a few potential match schools, and a few safety schools. Look at schools where you think you could be happy for the next four years. </p>

<p>When the offers of admission come in (and I can assure you they will come in), evaluate what school is the best match for you and go for it. You will find the right school where you can continue to grow as a performer and continue to hone your skills. It may not be a "MT Ivie", but it will be right for you. </p>

<p>And remember, where you go to school doesn't dictate if you're going to be successful or not. A top tier school (whatever that means) may open some doors for you when you're first starting your career, but it won't keep those doors open if you don't have the skills, drive, and determination to stay there. </p>

<p>My father used to use the analogy of getting to the top floor of a department store. You can take the stairs, the elevator, or the escalator to get to the top floor. Each gets you where you want to be, but each is a slightly different path. </p>

<p>Good luck. </p>

<p>MTPapa</p>

<p>Dramamama,</p>

<p>You mentioned that your daughter spent a semester in intense training for voice and acting after a semester at IU. Are you from Indiana and if so where did you find the training.</p>

<p>My daughter has been accepted into a couple of programs, one for MT and two for dance and she is thinking about working towards reauditioning for her favorite schools. I'm just trying to figure out how to help her get that top extra training.</p>

<p>You mentioned IU..I have heard that starting next year they will have auditions for MT (BFA, I believe!) It may be a rumor, I haven't verified it, but have heard it mentioned a few times. My husband and I are both "Hoosiers" and would have loved to see our d audition there. Just wanted to see if you have heard especially if you may be there next year. Good Luck.</p>

<p>Somewhere on the site is more info, but yes they will have MT beginning next year. I have talked to the main guy (whose name is at my office-head of theatre department-George something). They will require auditions, however, you can attend IU this year as a theatre major (I think you have to have an interview but not audition) and they will work to get you started toward the MT path so that you will be ready to audition for next year. We live really close and my daughter feels like it is her high school all over again.</p>

<p>I can't add much new that hasn't already been so eloquently stated by so many posters. I'll add my thoughts which are the same. My heart does ache for the students (and their parents) who are very talented and got shut out of the BFA programs they auditioned for this year. Clearly, there are far more talented young people than slots available. As some have posted here, many of you are accomplished in your craft with achievements that back that up. A very close theater friend of my D's who I've seen perform many times in many many lead roles...talented dancer and singer....and who has played many leads in her local community...as well as the lead in a professional production playing opposite a male who had played that same role in the Broadway production....well, both my D and I were very concerned about her college list. She had only five schools on it. These were four of the so called "Ivies" of the BFA MT world and one other top program. While she was as competitive talent wise as much as anyone we know, and with the looks even, we felt that ANYONE, even the best of the best would not be wise to have a list like that. I think that some who enter the selective college admissions process...be it BFA in MT admissions or elite/Ivies admissions, must be very aware of the state of "affairs" in this area and know that NOBODY can predict if they will get in no matter how qualified. We knew that going into it with our kids but many do not. This was a case in point. This talented girl did not get accepted to any of the four MT "Ivies" and while she did not get into the fifth top school for MT, she did get in luckily for Acting and will attend, though I think of this girl so much as a leading singer/dancer, more than actress (thoughs she is talented in that area). </p>

<p>My D and I both feel that she and any other student must have MORE schools on their list (than five) when dealing with HIGHLY selective admissions colleges/programs that turn away many who are "qualified". As well, a student must have a BALANCED list of options....which will differ from student to student....some need BA options, BA with audition schools, and/or some less "elite" BFA programs. This is quite imperative and even then, the odds are very tough. But with a longer and more balanced list, most kids will end up with one or more options. The odds are improved compared to the ones in the example I just provided. </p>

<p>For those who did not have this process go well this year.....while it is very upsetting.....all is definitely NOT LOST. It is a setback but that is all it is for now. I love MTPapa's department store analogy. Anyway, there ARE options. Going to a non BFA school that has a theater major is one option. Going to a BA school with an active theater scene on campus is another. Taking a GAP year is another option.....doing intensive training, some production work, etc. and then reauditioning next year. There are SEVERAL success stories on this forum alone who have gone that route. Bravo to them. Another option is doing a two year program such as Circle in the Square. </p>

<p>Those with talent, drive, and passion, will deal with this major disappointment but move forward and take steps to plan what they do next. They can get there. They can try again next year and use this year in positive ways. As well, a BFA degree is not the only route to success in this field. Many make it with no degree. Many make it coming out of BA colleges. Yes, it is hard to redirect one's plans but with time, things can move in a positive direction and the path to the goal can be achieved in a different way or take longer or whatever it takes. The student and parent will be wiser on the next go around (if they opt to re-audition next year) and hopefully will cast a wider net of colleges/programs, as well as increase the odds by applying to more than five or so. For this competitive field, I think much less than 8 is very difficult. But more than the number, it is also the RIGHT list. I'm not saying not to reach for the top schools if you feel you are competitive and have other indicators of being so, but to realistically know that you can be shut out and so apply to more BFA programs, not just the "name" ones because a fine fine education and training can happen. It is the person who makes it, not the school. The school needs to be a good fit but the person will take it as far as she can. </p>

<p>I hope this disappointment will pass and that you can move ahead onto some positive planning. It'll get better. This field involves so many setbacks and it is very difficult but those who want it bad enough and who can't imagine doing anything else, will persevere and keep at it. Good luck. Keep reaching....</p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>PS...to the mom of the D who auditioned for Little Red on Bdway....my D was also seen for that role on Bdway. BFA admissions is a little like what auditions at high levels of professional theater are like. MANY talented young girls were seen for that role....many had Bdway credits....several were called back over and over....some were seen by Sondheim himself...several had the "talent" to do the role...but at some point in the process, there are too many who are "qualified" and it can come down to factors beyond the actor's control....who else is in the cast, the "vision" the director has for that character, the height/look, the type, and so forth. Talent gets someone to the callback stage at that level, and then something else gets them selected. Someone who is not selected may be selected for some other role some place else or that same role some place else. At the most selective BFA programs, yes, you must have talent to be considered, but there is a smidgeon of luck if all things being equal on the talent front and so few slots available, if you get chosen to fill a slot or need in that class make up. That part has unpredictability to it. It isn't always of commentary as to "being good enough" to get in. More are "good enough" than slots available. Being selected from a narrowed list, has some luck to it. The odds are slim and one needs to KNOW that going into elite BFA admissions auditions and in professional theater or Broadway level auditions.</p>

<p>Soozievt:
What schools are considered to be the MT "Ivies"?</p>

<p>When my D auditioned the second time around, not only did she lengthen her list of schools to ten, but also applied to BoCo and Michigan for Vocal Performance as well as MT. Since she was classically trained, she felt that would be another kind of "safety" option if she was not accepted into any MT programs. She felt it would be better than nothing. She was eventually accepted to both those schools, but declined in favor of MT at CMU. So some of you may want to try that if you feel you would accept that major as an alternative safety. It is still a "performance" major and at some schools, voice majors can take a few acting and movement classes as well. Last year, CMU's production of "Candide" was cast jointly with Vocal Performance majors from the School of Music. Just a thought!</p>

<p>IU - George Pinney, I think, is the head of MT. They are definitely starting an audition-required MT program next year (for fall 2007 admission). This has been discussed somewhere on CC MT forum - maybe in the general discussion thread that is on part 40 or so as of now. We were very impressed with IU's theatre dept., the Greek classic play we saw, and their theatre facilities. When this is combined next year with their awesome vocal program and great dance, I think it will be a very competitive program.</p>

<p>I like to remember all the wonderfully trained actors/theater professionals who have graduated in the last 20-30 years. To be able to teach at a drama/MT department is highly competitive. Thus, although the details and/or resources in the colleges/training programs may vary, students are likely to encounter marvelous teachers/mentors in every training setting. In this way, I become a little less focused upon "the best program" and think instead regarding a program where the student can learn and grow.</p>

<p>Jasmom, that is so very true. Good teachers can be found anywhere. There are other facets of a program that make one a good match or fit but there are definitely very skilled professionals working at all sorts of colleges. </p>

<p>Showbidzkidz....I would rather not name the four schools I was referring to with regard to the schools my D's friend applied to. I am not into ranking MT colleges as no official ranking exists. When I said "MT Ivies", I could also say "top programs" or "well regarded" or "well known" programs in this field. Which those are would likely be open to debate. Suffice it to say that the four I was referring to are talked about often on this site as "top" programs. I do not rank colleges myself. I think of them more in "clumps" and there are some MT programs that are very well known in the field but that doesn't make them the best. They are certainly very competitive to get into. I was saying that D's friend only applied to five MT BFA programs and four of these are top ones in this field that nobody could count on getting in and the fifth is also a very well regarded one that could not be counted on. All BFA programs are very difficult to get into. Some have a more competitive pool of applicants than some others. For example, CMU appears harder to get into than Hartt or College of Santa Fe though all of these have low admit rates. I'll leave the rest for you to decide which schools you have heard of as being the most well known, so to speak.</p>

<p>The girl who did get cast in the Broadway revival production you are talking about is from the Philadelphia area and had very recently done the part here in a local regional Equity prodcution, maybe 6 months prior?</p>

<p>TheaterMom, that is exactly right. For a very long while, there were a few finalists for this role on Broadway and then they were all nixed when they brought this girl who had played Little Red in Philly in and she also was smaller. She was reviewed very well in the role in the Philly theater production. She has also gone onto being in Fiddler on Bdway.</p>

<p>PS...I thought it might be interesting to note she is a freshman at Princeton, so others may see that even teens who have been on Broadway don't always go the BFA route.</p>

<p>How can I find the MT schools that offer late auditions? My D was just cut from Univ. of AZ BFA program (BFA, musicial theatre) as were 16 others ( 10 freshman and 7 sophmores ). Please help me get the word out on that school. The letters came on May 5 and I assume all auditioning for other MT schools is over for this spring. Any ideas would be so appreciated. We are all a little stunned. I would advise anyone looking into Univ. of AZ, to understand that these cuts were made without warning and left 17 students stranded.</p>

<p>I'm not sure this information is current, but several years ago I know University of Evansville (Indiana), University of Northern Colorado (my daughter knows someone who was cut from CCM in the Spring and got into UNC before the fall semester), and Illinois Wesleyan took late applications. I'm also not sure they offer a BFA or BA program. I'm sure your head is spinning right now and you're not sure where to start. Good luck!</p>

<p>Holly06- I am so sorry to hear your news. That must be devistating for those kids. You have come to the right place for advice. There still may be some spots open somewhere. I don't know how you feel about small schools in Ohio, but Marietta is a non-audition school that may still be accepting transfers. Ohio Northern may also be an option. Call them on Monday to find out. Marietta has a BFA - with a definate pull towards the acting and music portion. the dance department is the weakest link. The strengths are very inidividual attention and many opportunities to perform. ONU is also a BFA but with a strong dance component too.</p>

<p>Students we spoke to at both schools were passionate about their programs.</p>

<p>I would recommend you check out Nebraska Wesleyan. It is a non-audition based school with very wonderful and caring faculty. They do 10-12 mainstage shows a year and many of them are musicals. i believe you can get a BFA in Musical Theatre there. It is also a very nice campus. It's worth looking into anyway.</p>

<p>Holly, Baldwin-Wallace in Ohio is on the NACAC list as still accepting applications; they might be worth calling to see if an audition is also possible. The overall list (by state) for schools still accepting applications (not specific to BFA programs) can be found here: <a href="http://www.nacacnet.org/MemberPortal/ForStudents/2006SpaceAvailabilityResults.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nacacnet.org/MemberPortal/ForStudents/2006SpaceAvailabilityResults.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I'm almost positive BW isn't having any more MT auditions, as they chose to take no girls off the wait list and only one guy, I think they are full. You can major in acting, though, and it is a non-audition program.</p>

<p>I agree with Benjygil that BW is probably not taking any more into the BM MT program, but if they are still taking applicants, their BA theatre degree would be a good option. We met a couple of students who later auditioned (for a subsequent year) and got into MT.</p>

<p>Other schools that have been mentioned as good programs not requiring auditions - and I have no idea if they are still taking applications, so you would need to check:</p>

<p>Wichita State (see recent thread discussing this)
Columbia College in Chicago
Ouachita Baptist University (OBU) in Arkadelphia, Arkansas</p>

<p>Razorback has mentioned OBU in Arkansas, and I was about to write her on this. Instead I'll share with all of you. A young woman who graduated a few years ago in music (probably not MT) from OBU is singing duets from Music Man opposite my son in a dance recital this weekend. Wow - she has an amazing voice. I'm very impressed with their vocal music training, so their relatively new MT program must be good!</p>

<p>Bumping up for those who need a bit of encouragement . . . .</p>