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Transfers then proceed to perform significantly worse than their regular admit peers during their time at Cornell.
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<p>Do you have statistics for this statement?</p>
<p>That's funny....because in my department most of the students who graduated with latin honors were transfer students.</p>
<p>And then there is the kid who attended a community college...came to Cornell and is now at Columbia for med school...and there's also a girl who attended Missouri, graduated summa cum laude and she's at NYU for grad school...and then one who is at UPenn Law...I could go on. I guess transfer really don't do well at Cornell....</p>
<p>I think that the transfers may not lack the intellectual capacity, most of them are probably "late bloomers" that woke up after they didn't get into a prestigious college or those that find out they have made an error in the judgment of "fit".
Norcalguy and dewdrop, your posts and examples just amplify the fact that these transfers actually end up with an unfair advantage when it comes to the calculation of their cumulative Cornell GPA. As you all know, a lot of the freshman and sophomore classes are the weed out type classes and so a lot of the regular students might end up with a lower grade when they have to take these classes in a much more competitive environment (Cornell) while they are going through whatever adjustments (be it social, academic or even maturity) at Cornell. By the time they reach junior and senior years, they would need much higher grade to make up for the deficit they have incurred earlier. Whereas, the transfers start with a new slate when they join Cornell. In the event that they do just equally well as the regulars, they have a much better chance to get a much higher GPA, hence their Summa Cum Laude, med. and law school admissions and whatever.</p>
<p>Cornell thinks it's special because it's an Ivy League.
They think that those who were originally non-Ivy students are somehow inferior.
That's the gist. </p>
<p>But give me a break!!
Cornell is a great school but not one of the best.
It's average SAT score for the entering freshman class (w/o the transfers) is only 1395.</p>
<p>Bioeng- if you want to take that route, let me present you with this:</p>
<p>Under your argument, it's fair to say that transfers also have obstacles first-year students do not have. They have to acquire a new sense of the work that is expected of them, develop new habits, adapt to a new environment, make new friends (which can certainly be reflected in academic success), the list can go on and on. </p>
<p>If you're so upset over how transfers start out without having to take lower-level classes, perhaps you should have transferred.</p>
<p>Bioeng, I apologize, I did not see you were a parent until I read an earlier post just now.
I didn't believe an adult, let alone a parent, would come up with such garbage about transfer students.</p>
<p>dontno - I had always thought of myself as the average rather than exeption. I know there's tons of transfers who get in from CC's and below-avg colleges, but lots also transfer from decent schools. And let me tell you, if you transfer as a Soph, they DO weight the HS transcript. Because all they have to go by is 1 Semester of College! That's nothing. </p>
<p>Mondo - Cornell IS one of the best. Not the best, but yeah, a Top 20 college is considered pretty good. A 1395 is pretty darn high, the avg in the country is significantly lower. Some of you need to crawl out from under the HYP rock into the real world - only 1 out of 4 Americans graduates with a Bachelors, the percentage going to "top schools" is really low. </p>
<p>Wow if I get into Cornell I hope I don't run into you guys! Don't wanna be looked down on for coming from a "safety school" and "slacking off" in HS. I hope that some of you realize that the pretentious attitudes you harbor towards "lesser colleges" are the same elitist attitudes that others harbor towards Cornell...Mondo for one. Some people spend way too much time cuddling with the U.S News/World Report.</p>
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It's average SAT score for the entering freshman class (w/o the transfers) is only 1395.
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<p>"Only". Hilarious. </p>
<p>Write back to me when you can prove that there is a measurable difference between the SAT scores of the 6,000 students at Duke and the 7,000 students at Cornell in the Arts and Engineering schools.</p>
<p>I'll be waiting.</p>
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I think that the transfers may not lack the intellectual capacity, most of them are probably "late bloomers" that woke up after they didn't get into a prestigious college or those that find out they have made an error in the judgment of "fit".
Norcalguy and dewdrop, your posts and examples just amplify the fact that these transfers actually end up with an unfair advantage when it comes to the calculation of their cumulative Cornell GPA. As you all know, a lot of the freshman and sophomore classes are the weed out type classes and so a lot of the regular students might end up with a lower grade when they have to take these classes in a much more competitive environment (Cornell) while they are going through whatever adjustments (be it social, academic or even maturity) at Cornell. By the time they reach junior and senior years, they would need much higher grade to make up for the deficit they have incurred earlier. Whereas, the transfers start with a new slate when they join Cornell. In the event that they do just equally well as the regulars, they have a much better chance to get a much higher GPA, hence their Summa Cum Laude, med. and law school admissions and whatever.
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<p>Actually, transfers would go through double the number of transition periods as 4-year Cornell students. They have the make the academic and social transition from HS to college just as Cornell students do AND they have to make the academic and social transition from their college to Cornell. Transferring is a huge hassle and requires you to go through the awkwardness and unfamiliarity of freshmen year again when you get to Cornell. You wouldn't want to transfer out of your current college unless you absolutely had to. </p>
<p>stargazerlilies: Mondo is just a Duke troll that posts negative comments here occasionally. Not worth anyone's time.</p>
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By the time they reach junior and senior years, they would need much higher grade to make up for the deficit they have incurred earlier. Whereas, the transfers start with a new slate when they join Cornell. In the event that they do just equally well as the regulars, they have a much better chance to get a much higher GPA, hence their Summa Cum Laude, med. and law school admissions and whatever.
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<p>With all due respect, this is baseless superstition. The transfers that are competitive with four year students for top medical school and law school admissions are in no way qualitatively different from the rest of the pool.</p>
<p>Thanks guys. I see that there's a lot of pretentious people who go to Cornell, but it's a big college, so that's to be expected. I don't see the point in being arrogant, because somewhere out there, there's always someone better than you. It's funny that even if transfer students do just as well as regulars at Cornell, they're still inferior according to this guy because they had an easier start...um, ok.</p>
<p>I really don't think there's a lot of anti-transfer sentiment at Cornell. I've come to expect the snobbiness from CC posters so some of the opinions on this forum don't surprise me. Most of the time, I have no idea if someone's a transfer or not. And it's not until I become friends with someone that I learn a little more about their background and obviously I'm not going to change my opinion of someone just because they transferred in from another school.</p>
<p>Are there people at Cornell who actually look down on those in contract colleges? Contract colleges are also extremely selective and EXTREMELY fit-based. And the awkwardness of transferring is something I'm considering seriously, since there is the possibility of a GT from Cornell. If I got a GT, I'm not sure I would transfer just because transferring is so hard. But then again, it is Cornell. Haha</p>
<p>I don't think anyone at Cornell looks down on contract colleges, but I've seen people on CC who speak of them like they're something "lower", because they are affiliated with NY state. There seems to be some confusion about them, because sometimes I see people on CC ask questions like, "If I graduate, will my diploma say SUNY or Cornell?" I don't think anyone actually knows what they are would look down on them. If so, maybe they're just jealous they're paying more for the same education? :) who knows</p>
<p>^ I love that. "SUNY Cornell"... </p>
<p>please...</p>
<p>The truth of the matter is there will always be people like that, no matter where you are. Shoot, there are snobby people here, and this is a mid-tier SUNY!</p>
<p>Good point stargazer, there are so many kids from my school who are applying/applied to CAS (and I'm a NY-stater). I completely understand that if they're looking for a major you can't have if you go to a contract college, but so many of them are applying to biology and chemistry and whatnot. I mean, apply to Biological Sciences in CALS if you're in-state.</p>
<p>If transfers just wanted easy grades to get into med school or law school, why on earth would they then transfer to Cornell, if their regular institutions were so easy at grading?</p>
<p>Your logic is so obviously flawed, it is disgusting.</p>
<p>Hmm, that's funny. HumEc's admit rate (the college I'm applying for) is actually LOWER for transfers than regular admits. If anything then, it's the regular admit kids who have it easier as far as getting in and schmoozing go. :)</p>
<p>I'm applying for transfer to HumEc too, escapist! What major are you applying to? </p>
<p>Yeah, the admit rate is lower, and I'll be evaluated mostly on HS, with a little bit of college, since by the times apps are due, only my 1st Semester grades will be finalized. Soph transfers don't have it easy unless they're applying from a CC with GT. People on this board act like Transfers can sleep through HS, do well 1 semester of college, and stroll on in..hah</p>
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<p>Write back to me when you can prove that there is a measurable difference between the SAT scores of the 6,000 students at Duke and the 7,000 students at Cornell in the Arts and Engineering schools.</p>
<p>I'll be waiting.
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<p>Cornell Arts & Sciences (1320-1510)
Cornell Engineering (1360-1520)</p>
<p>Okay, you are right, not by much.
Arts & Sciences is at 1415 and Engineering is at 1440.</p>
<p>By comparing the ratios of these schools- the 25th percentile for Arts & Engineering combined would be 1336.74 and the 75th percentile for Arts & Engineering combined would be 1514.19. </p>
<p>With rounding, we are at a range of 1340-1510 and an approximate average of 1425.
I concede, I guess there's not that much of a difference. </p>
<p>To be honest, I liked Cornell when I applied and still do like the school (I actually didn't get into Cornell but got into Duke- point for Cornell, I guess) I was just a little ticked off by the fact it seemed like that Cornell students were snobbish towards transfer students when Cornell students (and neither are Duke students) are not perfect.</p>