<p>We're almost back on the 4th anniversary of one of the greatest national tragedies in the history of the US. I don't mean to spark any flames but this site has demonstrated an inordinate amount of research to the controversial topic of a 9/11 conspiracy. I think this is more important than many other gov't conspiracy b/c of all of the lives at stake. I just wanted to put it out here and see what people here think.</p>
<p>I consider myself to be a fairly intelligent individual but when the attacks occurred in 2001 I didn't question the govt's answers about what happened. I didn't start researching the issue until earlier this year and it seems very logical that the entire thing was planned and executed by govt officials with the help of the military, defense companies, etc. It is not secret that many of the powerful people in America make huge profits through war. And killing a few thousand Americans and demolishing two buildings is small price to pay if you stand to make millions of dollars off the war.</p>
<p>Most Americans could care less about conspiracy theories but I find the stuff fascinating and I wish I had more time to study it. I will do so in the future but you won't see me trying to fight the system since I'll probably end up working for a company that profits from death and destruction. I have no intention of changing the status quo, but I just want to be educated about the truth of world affairs.</p>
<p>"it seems very logical that the entire thing was planned and executed by govt officials with the help of the military, defense companies, etc"
Oh ok, and it isn't logical that terrorists did it? You conspiracy theorists never cease to amaze me.</p>
<p>By the way, do you consider flouride addition to water a mind control substance also used by the government?</p>
<p>EDIT: I hope <a href="http://www.snopes.com%5B/url%5D">www.snopes.com</a> can "edumacate" you. I can only tell you this, I can make up any crazy theory I want just like a random site on the internet. Are you honestly getting your world views from random, obscure sites on the internet? Lollzers. If it was such a huge conspiracy, and so many people were involved, doesn't it seem RIDICULOUS how no one has confessed taking involvement (or knowing about it). I mean come on, you can't say anything in school and expect it to remain a secret, and you think that when hundres of people are involved, no one peeps? No one has a guilty conscience?.</p>
<p>It's logical that terrorists or govt could have planned the attacks. However, the purpose of my message was to talk about the govt.</p>
<p>I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I've only been reading the 9/11 theory stuff for a short time. I just like to read different point-of-views for various things and there is no harm in doing that. It's always best to stick with reliable sources but the sources that we call reliable are not always honest. Just because our govt says something doesn't mean it's true. Our country wasn't built on the concept of honesty. We preach honesty all the time but all of us are dishonest in one way or another. </p>
<p>Would anyone have a guilty conscience if they were involved in the conspiracy? Maybe, but that doesn't mean they will come forth and talk about it. Confessing to wrongdoing doesn't necessarily lead to an outcome in your favor. For example, some theories say the buildings were wired for controlled demolition. Somebody had to place those explosives and they did so with or without the knowledge of the real reason for planting them. The reason is obvious after 9/11, but what good would it do that person to publicly admit to doing that? If you happen to fall asleep while driving and then cause someone else to swerve off the road and crash and die, you may have the chance to leave the scene without getting caught. Later on you may feel guilty about indirectly causing the death of another person but admitting to what you did will only land you in jail. Going to prison is a good enough reason for many people to feel guilty in private. It's not hard to imagine hundreds of people feeling this way.</p>
<p>However, military officers would have almost nothing to gain out of it. They would just have to direct a war. I don't think the military pays its officers extra during wartime.</p>
<p>Well there's various things you can conspire to do that may not be the very act. As with the FDR reference above, there is alot of legit research that supports the notion that his admin knew an attack was forthcoming and so they, in essence, allowed it to happen to win public support and serve as an impetus for the US entering the war. Until that time, the US had taken an "America first" attitude and sat on the sidelines while war had raged in Europe, China etc.</p>
<p>Similarly, and not saying I agree, there is a school of thought that with the Bush admin's strong ties to the Saudis and the 9/11 hijackers being Saudis that the Bush admin knew something was up (not of the ultimate magnitude) and like FDR would allow something to happen so as to ignite the fuse to allow for the "war on terrorism" and invaison of Iraq. To that end, Iraq had no involvement in 9/11 and Bin Laden is a Saudi, but Iraq was the real goal and allowing some attack here to happen would cement public sentiment to go "shoot 'em up".</p>
<p>Again, not saying I agree, but there are all sorts of levels at which you can be part of, condone and/or allow for a conspired act to take place.</p>
<p>In the case of FDR, even if it was a conspiracy and he knew about it (I think he may have.. I'm not sure about this), it was probably for the better.</p>
<p>The death of a few thousand military men is a small price to pay compared to millions of innocent civilians. Plus, what if Nazis controlled the world today?! :eek:</p>
<p>FDR definitely did know that Japan would attack the US. Any intelligent person would have known that it followed as Japan's only logical move at that time. FDR knew that the best thing to do was nothing at all, in terms of long term benefits. But to say he knew the details of the attack... is absurd.</p>
<p>And guys... it is one thing to be a conspiracy theorist. To be curious is completely different. There are a lot of unanswered questions about 9/11, and there is nothing wrong with looking for the answers, if nothing else than as an educational experience.</p>
<p>Yeah I'm not even close to being a conspiracy theorist. But when there is overwhelming (and there is if you even took a glance at it, they even refute many claims against them) you would see the massive untaking that is 9/11. I just wanted to get it out there. Even FDR said this, "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."</p>
<p>What would you rather believe: the sudden mass scale ineptitude and breakdown of some of the most reliable safety protocols in the world (skyscraper codes & construction, airport security) that would allow 19 lunatics to destroy into the financial icon of the US, or the fact that our own government had been plotting it all along? Either way, it's scary.</p>
<p>Love for your country and its inherent greatness shouldn't blind you to the flaws & incompetence in the upper levels of the government. Not just for 9/11 either but this has been far and away the worst of the worst.</p>
<p>OMG, you conspiracy theorests are a bunch of wack-jobs. Now I do not support the President on several of his initiatives, but to even THINK that 9/11 was perpetrated by our government is really shameful. Don't you think that the 9/11 Commission, wich was BIPARTISAN, would have cracked-down on this??? You're the same far-left crazies that say we bombed ourselves on 12/11/41, that we didn't land on the Moon, that the government assasinated JFK, and (my new, personal favorite) that the government controls the weather and caused Katrina. THERE IS NOT A SHRED OF LEGITIMATE EVIDENCE, FROM ANY LEGITIMATE, CREDIBLE INSTITUTION TO SUPPORT AN IOTA OF YOUR INSANE THEORIES.</p>
<p>Conspiracy theorests always break-down evidence, and then try to piece it back together in a very deceptive way. Don't fall for it.</p>
<p>It's absolutely retarded when the first thought is to say, the government lied. Honestly, do you think the risk of trying to cover something up like this would have been followed through? </p>
<p>Before you conspiracy freaks all go FAKE FAKE FAKE! Think about it with some common sense. Think about how many people were there. There would have been no way they could have paid off that many people.</p>
<p>Although I do not believe in the conspiracy theories, can any of you non-believers bring up infallible proof to contradict the aforementioned website's claims?</p>
<p>Yes, everyone knows the government has lied to varying degrees in the past. But September 11th is different. The government has linked this event to Iraq, to the war against terrorism, and to aggressive measures against potential terrorist-immigrants in America. If some conspiracy theories are partially, or wholly, based on truth, the public should pay attention.</p>
<p>Now, I am not a proficient scientist or data-analyst, so I cannot efficiently say whether or not the aformentioned website's claims are true or false. Therefore, I am asking if anyone can say anything on the subject of the website's validity.</p>
<p>Look if it was just a few things sure that's crazy. But I think this goes far beyond left or right. There is more evidence in the clean-up that the Oklahoma City Bombing is related. The same demolition company immediately hauled off all of the evidence in both cases. I usually find conspiracy theorists to be crack-pots in most all cases but this was different.</p>
<p>I'm not stupid. I obviously think this is important. It is nice that most people on this board rather than read the website and see all the compounded evidence would rather write it off and call me crazy. I'm far from it. Others shrug it off as another "oh the gov't lied big deal, they do that all the time." This is different.</p>
<p>I can't say they are true or false either but the website has managed to compile a convincing amount of credible evidence.</p>
<p>And thanks to greencloth, who spotted the purpose of this thread. I guess I should have been more specific and banned immaturity and single-mindedness. And for people who obviously didn't read the site nor bring any evidence to the contrary (except for your piece of mind, which btw isn't wanted if it doesn't say anything) there sure is a lot of trash-talking. Let's try to be grown-ups. Especially those below in the Aside.</p>
<p>Aside to the namecallers:
Bullrider I bet you still believe that the war against Saddam had something to do with terrorism. Umm sorry to burst your bubble but even GWB admitted that was false.</p>
<p>Tuftsplease. If you looked at the site, you will see that the gov't really didn't have to pay off that many people b/c not that many would have known. Look at the overwhelming evidence. Look at the unanswered questions. Try to act your given age please.</p>
<p>Banedon, Try looking at the one our gov't tried to have us believe. Then maybe you wouldn't think so. But of course you didn't read either.</p>
<p>Wow, I never realized how many honest to goodness nutjobs we have on CC...</p>
<p>I'm not an engineer, photo analyst, etc, but I do possess one trait that these wackos do not: common sense. </p>
<p>If what you spouting is true...what happened to the people that were killed on the flights? Where are they? Those sites purport that it was a missile or a demolition job...well how do you fruits account for the people from the 4 flights? </p>
<p>Conspiracy theories like these are bogus because I don't care how much money you "buy people off" with, someone always talks. The old addage about 3 people keeping a secret. </p>
<p>To paraphrase the West Wing: leaks happen, people talk, its a company town, everyone talks to everyone and junior staffers like to show reporters that they're "in the know." There is no group of people this (meaning size of the West Wing) large in the world that can keep a secret; and I find it comforting- it's how I know the government is hiding aliens at Roswell. </p>