<p>Hi , I'm an international pre-med applicant for the spring semester and I got accepted to these schools, put in mind that money isn't a problem because I'm on a full ride scholarship from my government. </p>
<p>Universities:-
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
University of Rochester
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
George Washington University
Syracuse University </p>
<p>CLA :-
Bates College </p>
<p>Thanks in advance everybody</p>
<p>I would choose UMich without hesitation</p>
<p>U Rochester is very good for pre med if you want a smaller school than U Mich.</p>
<p>ReDevil–please be aware that your chances of being accepted into a US medical school are extremely poor. Fewer than 200 international students (total, including all MD/PhD program matriculants) are accepted each year.</p>
<p><a href=“https://www.aamc.org/download/159534/data/table4.pdf[/url]”>https://www.aamc.org/download/159534/data/table4.pdf</a></p>
<p>(The number of internationals accepted appears near the very bottom of the chart.)</p>
<p>Many US medical simply will not consider internationals for admission. Only 5 US medical school offer any need-based aid to international students. (Loans only.)</p>
<p>do all these schools do rolling? How do you have multiple acceptances in november?</p>
<p>And MD/PhD admissions for internationals is even harder than MD because all the MSTP programs are closed since the NIH demands the funding go to American citizens.</p>
<p>Of those on the list, Michigan has the biggest rep outside of the US. It is a no-brainer for you – prestige is big in the international arena!</p>
<p>See which type you prefer between your top two as either will give you a great education. My guy goes to the U of Rochester and loves it there. He prefers the smaller research school to the large school - plenty of opportunities and he’ll likely start with research next semester as a freshman (is setting it up now). </p>
<p>Look at the major you prefer and see what depth it has in classes and professor research.</p>
<p>U of Mich.</p>
<p>Thank you so much everybody for your participation.
I know it’s unlikely for an international student to be admitted to a US Med School but it’s not impossible. </p>
<p>I think I’m into private schools more than public schools because of the small student body and advising system there. </p>
<p>Another thing, If you had to choose between a College of a Liberal Arts or a Research University, which path would you prefer ? </p>
<p>Thanks again</p>
<p>Research U with an adjacent medical school over an equivalently ranked LAC.</p>
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<p>I assume that you mean Liberal Arts College vs. Research Uni? (At reseach Uni, you could be enrolled in its College of (Liberal) Arts and Sciences.)</p>
<p>Personally, I see few advantages of attending a research Uni with a med school, but I do see numerous disadvantages.</p>
<p>Regardless, you are an International, so prestige trumps all, and that eliminates liberal arts colleges.</p>
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Could you elaborate it? A potential downside I can think of is that a research U. with a med school tends to serve as a magnet that attracts too many “the-only-acceptable-career-path-for-me-is-medicine” students. The premed classes could be larger than what they would be if they were not a research U. with a med school.</p>
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LOL. This is a funny way to put it.</p>
<p>"I know it’s unlikely for an international student to be admitted to a US Med School but it’s not impossible. "
-D’s Med. School class has several International students.</p>
<p>In regard to prestige, it does not matter for Med. School. If prestige is important to you, go for it!</p>
<p>You haven’t answered the ? of how you could know you’re accepted to all these schools??</p>
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<p>This is obviously personal preference. The few current med school students we talked with IRL all told my son that they wished they had gone to a school with a hospital within true walking distance (meaning on campus). They had not done so and were envious of their peers who had chosen those schools as it had been easier for the peers to work on true research and/or in the hospital on a regular basis. For one, who went to a top school without a hospital nearby, even having that hospital a mile away posed difficulties and she wished she had chosen differently in hindsight.</p>
<p>I suppose one needs to figure out fit and see if research/more hospital experiences appeal to them or not and pick accordingly.</p>
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<p>?? They’re a spring admit, not fall. It does make sense that they would know.</p>
<p>Thx Creekland</p>
<p>"Personally, I see few advantages of attending a research Uni with a med school, but I do see numerous disadvantages. "
-Personally, I do not see any. And there is always a hospital somewhere. D. did not have anything to do with the hospital near her UG. She was not involved with it in any capacity. She also graduated from UG that did NOT have a Med. School and she sould not know if there is any difference. She went to UG that was a perfect match to her personality and very wide (much wider than in most cases) range of interests. The only thing was that her day did not stretch from 24 hours to some 40 hours, so she ended up dropping some of her activities and letting some opportunities pass her by, not much you can do about it. 24 hrs is 24 hrs and she ended up having impressive list of ECs on her Med. School application anyway, again, dropping few things for the lack of space to list them all.</p>
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<p>And, as always, this is the key. One needs to decide which type of school is the perfect fit for them as all types can provide what is needed to get into med school.</p>
<p>The perks of going to a research U with a med school only work as advantages if that’s what the students, themselves, are looking for. Ditto that with the perks of going to an LAC, choosing prestige, etc.</p>
<p>“Regardless, you are an International, so prestige trumps all, and that eliminates liberal arts colleges.”</p>
<p>I would strenuously disagree. Liberal arts colleges have some of the highest medical school placement rates in the country. In fact, top LACs outperform large research universities when it comes to graduate school placement. </p>
<p>Bates college claims an overall 80-100 percent admit rate to med. schools, with virtually every student with a GPA or 3.5 or better admitted.</p>
<p>[FAQ?s</a> about ?Pre-Med? at Bates | Career Development Center | Bates College](<a href=“http://www.bates.edu/career/students/advanced-studies-graduate-and-professional-school-advising/health-professions-advising/faq’s-about-“pre-med”-at-bates/#link1]FAQ?s”>http://www.bates.edu/career/students/advanced-studies-graduate-and-professional-school-advising/health-professions-advising/faq’s-about-“pre-med”-at-bates/#link1)</p>
<p>UMich claims a 60-70 percent overall acceptance rate.</p>
<p>Large research universities generally DO have better facilities than small liberal arts colleges, but what a small LAC will get you is excellent access to professors and more individualized attention. At a small LAC all your courses will be taught by the professor. At a large university, although the course may officially be taught by a bright light in the field, someone whose reputation outstrips that of the average LAC prof, in reality your classes may largely be taught by graduate student teaching assistants.</p>
<p>It’s a different story if you are planning to return home for graduate school. Admissions committees abroad may or may not be familiar with some of the smaller LACs. If you are expecting to return home for grad school you may be better off at a large RU. Check with med schools in your country.</p>
<p>WayOutWestMom-
The AAMC table is based on place of residence, not citizenship. When my DH was applying to grad schools he was considered a US resident although he was not a US citizen.</p>
<p>Some med schools do not admit international applicants. UMich, for instance, requires that applicants be US citizens or permanent residents:</p>
<p>[University</a> of Michigan Medical School :: Admissions :: Requirements](<a href=“http://med.umich.edu/medschool/admissions/apply/requirements.html]University”>http://med.umich.edu/medschool/admissions/apply/requirements.html)</p>
<p>While Harvard does not:
<a href=“http://hms.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/assets/Sites/Financial_Aid/files/HMSFinAidGuide.pdf[/url]”>http://hms.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/assets/Sites/Financial_Aid/files/HMSFinAidGuide.pdf</a></p>
<p>Be aware that “best of” lists often look only at larger schools and are sometimes based on the numbers of majors or applicants rather than the percentages admitted. In other words, just because an undergraduate institution has a zillion premed majors does not make it a great premed school. You may find yourself forced into a tight funnel of applicants and it may be harder to find research opportunities.</p>
<p>I would do a LOT of on-line research if I were you. Some things to look at:</p>
<p>What’s the school’s overall med school placement rate?</p>
<p>What’s the school’s placement rate for students above a certain cut-off? Some schools have gatekeeping med school boards that won’t support a student’s application unless the student meets certain criteria, for instance, above a certain GPA. School’s without such requirements will look worse in terms of placement rates because their stats will include students with low GPAs whose chances for admission are low.</p>
<p>Does the school require students who want to be supported by the med school admissions committee or advisors to be an official premed student?</p>
<p>Are non premed majors routinely frozen out of typically premed courses? In other words, if you want to major in history but still apply to med school, when you try to sign up for organic chemistry are you going to be put in line behind all the official premed or chemistry majors?</p>
<p>What percentage of undergraduate students are able to get summer research work? This is especially important as a potential med school applicant.</p>
<p>Does the school have a special relationship with a specific med school? If so, does the med school admit international students? Does it offer financial aid?</p>
<p>Are there distribution requirements (more common at LACs)? If you’re very focussed on science courses you may not want to be forced to take courses in the humanities.</p>
<p>What kinds of support does the school offer international students? When my DH was an undergrad at Bates the school kept certain dorms open over breaks and made a concerted effort to help international students get jobs or paid research internships over the summer.</p>
<p>What would you do if premed didn’t work out for you? Would you still be happy at the school? Does it have other features you like?</p>
<p>What does your scholarship cover? If it doesn’t cover room and board you’ll want to look at these costs as well and look at how the individual schools help foreign students close the gap.</p>
<p>“What percentage of undergraduate students are able to get summer research work? This is especially important as a potential med school applicant.”
-This opportunity is very difficult to get into. Even for kids with 4.0 who have been working at this palce before, who have great recs and actul lab experiences, it is practically not possible. However, to get into research at your UG is easy, email to a person in charge is what it takes. This may last for several years and may result in great LORs and various award nominations at graduation. So, beside money part (as you usually not getting any $$ for it vs. great $$ in summer research program) this option will work and would be available at ANY UG, having Med School there is not relevant to having various Med. Research labs at college.<br>
“Does the school have a special relationship with a specific med school?” - not sure about importance of this at all.
One extremely important factor is how good pre-med advisory and how cood pre-med commitee are and their timely procedures. The earlier you apply to Med. School, the better. My D. has definitely had an advantage of early application because her commitee was done with their part very early in a process. Her advisor was staying on top of things and informed her quickly about requirement changes at one of her Med schools, so that she had enough time to adjust her senior fall schedule. It has happened after she already registered for classes and has applied to this med. School, that eventually accepted her because she had all requirments completed, ironically she ended up going somewhere else.
Overall acceptance rate depends largely on how many are getting thru pre-med commitee. There are some Elite schools that are known for not letting some applicants thru because they care more about their own reputation than this particular student, who could have a chance otherwise but locked out by his pre-med commitee. There are always 2 sides of the same coin. Treat every peice of any statistics with great caution and better yet do not hung up too much to it. Sometime talking to current students will give you a better picture than various statistical numbers.<br>
Make sure to pay a great respect to your own desires and perceptions, Trust yourself more than you ever trust others, it will work!</p>