<p>i think you guys are forgetting that standardized test scores and GPA do NOT determine whether you get in or not. the essays are a big part, too. </p>
<p>mrmetski88: you got deferred with a 2240!? now THAT is unfortunate</p>
<p>Even though I know UMich is a top notch institution, I'm starting to beleive that setting there sights a little too high as far as who there admitting. At my school in NJ, most of the people with stats higher than mine who are applying to Mich are using as a back up to the Ivys where as it is my first choice. Hopefully this will benefit those of us who are deferred when they have a lot of spots to fill when April comes around.</p>
<p>Well, my daring sally, then how did I get in?</p>
<p>My essays were good, but they were not up to Ivy-league specifications by any means. I was trying to get them done ASAP, and I guess it paid off. </p>
<p>However, I do understand that Umich GPA plays a big role, and that if this GPA is not recalculated with weight on AP classes, it can really ruin an applicant.</p>
<p>For example, the kid who takes art and regular classes for 4 years can have a 4.0, but the guy who takes 8 AP classes a year might have a 3.5. According to Umich, the 4.0 dude is more qualified.</p>
<p>Maybe I'm missing their admissions style, because they might be looking at classes and realizing that the kids are getting B's and C's in regular classes.</p>
<p>It may be that Umich is prioritizing kids with low grades in APs over kids with high grades in APs but low grades in other classes.</p>
<p>Applying early was the best benefit though.</p>
<p>I'm gonna write a guide on how to get into Umich. LOL</p>
<p>I could too by now. I have like all the stats memorized LOL</p>
<p>Mrmetski, I hope your friends aren't applying to Michigan as their safety...or even their safe match. Unless one has nearly perfect credentials, Michigan has a very unpredictible admissions process. And I am not sure Michigan will have trouble attracting the talent they accept. Last year, the mean SAT score of the entering Freshman class was 1380 and even then, the yield rate was close to 45%. Obviously, Michigan has appeal.</p>
<p>so do we know for sure if there is actually two different deferral letters? i got the one that zkevin got but if there is in fact a different one, could someone post it or let us know what the difference is?</p>
<p>Admissions -- ?? Alexandre </p>
<p>I have a copy of a Free Press article (2003) detailing the UM admission process that was in place at that time. I am not sure if this process is still in effect. Alexandre do you know know how much admissions have changed since the decisions from the original lawsuits? (I could type the info if anyone is interested).</p>
<p>I am not sure of the exact process. I do know that many nearly very strong students (3.7+ unweighed GPAs with 1350+/30+ ACT) are turned down each year and I know that many students you'd expect to be turned down are admitted each year. Like I said, unpredictible.</p>
<p>Alexandre, do you know of any students who get deferred and recieve decisions sooner then April? Cause they reviewed my app without my Oct retake scores (which I improved 1 pt), and I made two updates the day after they made a decision (even though the actual mailed letter didn't arrive till later).</p>
<p>the SAT is so gay. It doesn't reflect a persons ability.</p>
<p>Application Reveiw Process:</p>
<p>my friend with a 3.6 and no ECs except JV tennis got in. Kind of Random. ACT was 29 too. But he applyed early and got in the first batch. He wasnt even a URM</p>
<p>the SAT shows general knowledge and logic, while GPA shows work ethic and/or memorization pretty much. Nick, it reflects someones raw knowledge imo. can't exactly "study" for the SATs because they aren't on a specific topic (i.e. strictly algebra for math). just shows general understanding of basic concepts.</p>
<p>zkevin, I am not sure how deferred applicants are re-evaluated. I am sure some are in late January or February whereas others aren't until March. In your case (slightly higher tyhan average standardized scores but slightly lower-than-average GPA), I think Michigan will be waiting to see your first semester Senior year GPA, so try your best to do well this semester. </p>
<p>MightyNick, I agree that the SAT measures nothing. My sisters both had average SAT scores and they are much more academically and intellectually inclined than I, who pretty much aced the SAT. But, the powers that be have decided that for whatever reason, the SAT is important.</p>
<p>Honestly I would not worry.</p>
<p>I am a student at the U of M. I graduated from high school in 2005. So I was applying to get into the fall of 2005 semester.</p>
<p>I sent in my app in november when I was applying to U of M. I didn't get in until January. My scores were...3.6 gpa, 26 ACT and 1350 SAT.</p>
<p>Obviously not great. My essays were really good, however, and I honestly think that got me in. </p>
<p>Extracurriculars? I didn't really have any. I did, however, teach a class, but that was because my school had a program which allowed you to do that, which isn't true of all high schools.</p>
<p>AP classes? none. </p>
<p>But here's the thing. U of M bases admissions on availability of resources.</p>
<p>My high school didn't have AP classes. The school down the street did. If a person has 6 AP classes and a 3.5 gpa at the school down the street, and a kid at my school had a 3.9 gpa then, yes, the kid without the AP classes would be more likey to get in only because that person did the best that he or she could <em>given what was available.</em> </p>
<p>This is only fair because if only AP students got in then how would kids from schools that don't offer AP classes ever hope for admission? </p>
<p>The important thing is, <em>Did you use all the resources given to you?</em> I may not have had AP courses, but that was because I couldn't take any, we didn't have any at our school! But we did have a program which gave students a chance to teach other students! So I did that instead. </p>
<p>If my school didn't have that either and just had normal classes then as long as I took on a varied and challenging course load and did well then I would be a good bet for U of M</p>
<p>Believe me, they look at individuals and their circumstances. I have spoken directly to U of M admissions counselors. It's not just a numbers game. And it's early still. </p>
<p>Around this time the year I applied I hadn't even turned in my application!!! I turned it in the last week of November! and as I said I didn't get in until January, January 14th in fact. Some people would say that's really late, but who cares? I got in and that's what counts.</p>
<p>They deferred you. They DID NOT reject you. It's early so they probably want to look at other people as well. If they let in everyone at the very beginning they could be blocking out other very very good students who may just turn in their apps late.</p>
<p>My friend who got in is brilliant. I don't remember her scores but she was amazing. She <em>turned in</em> her app the same week I was admitted. Mid-January. She got in a week later. </p>
<p>Now if U of M had let in all the good people who had their apps in by november, they would have filled all the spaces and left out my good friend who more than deserved to get in, and that isn't fair either. </p>
<p>So, they just want to see more applications before they make a decision. </p>
<p>That's the thing with rolling admissions. Sometimes they have to do that. Deferrals aren't out right rejections and I wouldn't worry too much right now. </p>
<p>As I said it's still early. ^_^</p>
<p>Good luck, but I'm sure you don't need it. I'm sure you'll get in.</p>
<p>asian discrimation issue here potentially?</p>
<p>you should have gotten in as far as i can tell</p>
<p>Doesn't anyone know whether this is the "good" deferral? Or is it just some myth :P</p>
<p>I don't think you got the good deferral letter. I got one and yours sounds very different from mine. If yours says "deferred" then you got deferred. My letter doesn't say anything like that.</p>
<p>That said, I think you have a better shot than me in the long run. Much better GPA and overall, you have a good shot. I know its easier said than done but I think if you just concentrate on getting good senior year grades then in the end you will get accepted. GOod luck!</p>
<p>Humph, I wish I was as optimistic as you. I know a kid who got deferred with a 3.95 UM GPA, 30 ACT and he got a 4.0 the following semester and still ended up waitlist-reject. :(. And sadly I haven't heard of any kids who got in after being deferred (at least from last year, unless they got deferred with insanely high stats (3.8+, 32+) due to the fact they applied late)</p>
<p>Kevin, don't be that pessimistic. Last summer I heard of several kids who got in off the waitlist. One heard in late June. Another had already committed to an LAC and was getting merit aid, but accepted the admit to Umich. So people do get in off the waitlist.</p>