I got rejected from everywhere except my 3 safeties, need advice

If you want to transfer, remember:

  • you cannot reapply where you got denied
    (Exception: at Cornell, if you applied to A&S, you can apply to CALS).
  • you need to have an imperative reason for the transfer – “my current college is not prestigious enough for me” doesn’t count, it has to be a specific major that your university doesn’t offer or something that doesn’t exist at your college.
  • applying with 3 semesters worth of grades and consequent college activities typically yields better results than applying as a freshman- some top universities don’t even accept freshman transfers.
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Can you clarify “you cannot reapply where you got denied”?
From what I see you totally can reapply to a program that denied you 1st Year

I’m a little surprised by the anti-transfer tenor of some of the responses. Yes, you need to choose from among your three great acceptances and yes, you should attend with the goal of blooming there. But I know of several students who have transferred - and not just those who attend community colleges or have semi-guaranteed transfer options. You can apply to transfer, assuming you get good first year grades and cast a wider and more reasonable net than the Ivy League. You might not win that lottery, but so long as you understand it’s a lottery, I don’t see what the harm is in investigating transfer options in the future.

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It is my understanding that high school grades will come with the student should he try to transfer before end of Sophomore - but should be confirmed at each school. IMO he will need 2 years of all A’s, not 1, to pull off a far less than 50% chance at Cornell or equivalent. With a single year and anything other than A’s, odds will be less than 10%.

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Actually even with all A’s Ivy transfer rates are in the single digits (Cornell may be an outlier but since they don’t break out the TO acceptance rates I’m thinking 10% is generous).

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Maybe I’m dense, but I would imagine most AO’s would look at what the OP took his first year in college. A B+ in a hard science or difficult math course, for example, ought not to block all transfer options - especially if senior year of high school was a strong one.

I agree that focusing one’s transfer hopes on a single school, particularly Cornell, is not a great idea. But there are many other schools who have excellent political science departments and whose overall profile might make OP happier. If that’s the case, what’s the harm in filling out a few transfer apps?

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Not dense at all, but I have learned to live in the real world with the real people when it comes to admissions. I have spoken to 2 families like this in the last 2 weeks. One will be at Maryland and the other Syracuse. Great schools and the right fit - like GW in this instance. Unfortunately, they had a false sense as to how strong an applicant they were… and still blaming the COVID year.

OP has the right test scores, but truly that is it. I think that COVID senior year grades will be looked at differently because so many more A’s given. I am not sure colleges bought the improvement story first time around, and am having trouble seeing what is going to change. With more B’s than A’s freshman year and still a good number sophomore year and junior year - I am just not buying it. The extras do not support it either.

If he graduates from GW with a 3.5+, I would consider that a great accomplishment.

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Where did this “rule” come from?

Now, it may be a bad idea to apply as a frosh/soph level transfer (or a repeat frosh application after a gap year) to a college that rejected you as a frosh applicant, because your high school record which they previously rejected you for will still be important. But would that be the case for a junior level transfer with a substantial college record after high school graduation?

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Try to think like adcoms at the Ivy league universities where you shotgunned plus G’Town and UChicago – keep in mind you applied once and they already chose to deny you and keep in mind they have three times the number of highly qualified applicants/places:
Highly selective schools don’t go “Oops, we really missed a diamond in the rough”. Admitting you a year later would be like admitting they made a mistake, right? They’re sure they did things right the first time, so if they didn’t admit you the first time around, well, when you reapply, are you trying to say you know better and they should have ? :wink:
They admit perhaps 5 or 10 or 15% of their applicants, of whom they got a fresh batch admitted. Transfers will replace the places left by the very few freshmen who decided to leave. They’ll want new applicants rather than someone they already decided didn’t belong. They will give you another look but trying to see anything that will disprove their earlier diagnostic, so it’s not easy.
So, legally, yes, you can send them an app and the app fee, they’ll take it, they will pull up your previous application too along with the comments the adcom made, perhaps the same regional rep will read it and remember you, wonder if you did anything extraordinary that’d prove them wrong in denying you the first time, and unless you cured cancer in a year, yeah, they’ll validate their first decision, ie., that you shouldn’t be there and there are better qualified candidates.
That being said, it means that there are lots of good universities where you haven’t applied :slight_smile: where you may have a shot in January 2022. Just remember that if you apply then, you won’t be able to re apply to those if that attempt fails.
After 3 semesters you’re further away from high school so you’ve had more chances to distinguish yourself and your odds are a bit better, but for the Ivies you applied to, the odds are absolutely minuscule and, as I mentioned twice already, they primarily either look for CC or lateral transfers (to summarize, go upthread for details). However, in January 2023, if you have excellent grades and activities, Northeastern and NYU are open again as well as BC since you were WL not denied. (UCLA will prioritize California CCs before someone from OOS but you can try, too).
You can also try for Vanderbilt, Emory, UVA, Wake, Tulane, Villanova, UMD College Park. I think it might be easier to transfer to these from GWU (it’d be more of a lateral transfer since everyone knows how good GWU is for poli sci) although probably only if you chance majors or something (because everyone knows how good GWU is for poli sci so they’d wonder why in the world you want to leave.) Rutgers-> UMD College Park for Poli Sci would make sense, too, but GWU->Villanova for poli sci would be strange.

Finally, among your 3, don’t discount Penn State without visiting: it’s less good than GWU for poli sci, but it holds its own and has unique concentratons that could interest you (including SODA*) the campus is nicer than Rutgers, their career fair is powerful, and you could be in Paterno Fellows (Honors) which would lead to a qualitatively different experience.
*https://soda.la.psu.edu/undergraduate/prospective-students
To be clear, I still think GWU is your best choice but you should consider your choices carefully and review them before you dismiss them.

Rutgers:

At GWU, were you admitted to Columbian (Arts&Sciences)?

As an example, Columbia says:
Due to the timing of the transfer process, we are generally unable to consider grades earned in the second semester of the year of application; thus, high school grades, rigor of program and standardized test scores are all important in the evaluation of transfer credentials, especially for students applying for sophomore standing. If you have applied to Columbia previously, the documents you provided at that time will not roll over (with the exception of SAT or ACT scores); you must resubmit any information requested by this transfer application.

It doesn’t seem to preclude previous applicants but they want at least a 3.5 GPA and less than 10% are admitted. Columbia meets 100% of demonstrated financial need for admitted transfer students. For the variety of factors to consider, they point applicants to their first year profile page. New Jersey is the fifth most popular state.

Nailing it at GW over four years would be an awesome outcome. It’s not an easy place but you seem like you’d thrive.

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I’d put it like this: your know you’ve got the chops. We know you’ve got the chops. Colleges can see, from your junior and senior achievements, that you’ve got the chops.

But they can also see that for two years of your time in high school, you couldn’t be bothered. The US system is not very forgiving of that.

I’d consider reapplying after only 3 semesters of college too early. It might look like you’re running out of steam, can’t commit to four years of applying yourself in one place.

Kill it at one of your 4 year universities, find awesome internships, apply for awesome grad programs. Junior and senior years weren’t your chance at a do over. 4 years of college are.

Good luck. Work hard and have fun!

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Spoke with friend last night. His son has an UW 4.0 (0 b’s in 4 years), hardest classes taken at one of top private high schools in MA, 35 ACT - rejected all ivy’s, WL at 1 and deciding between top CA state school and GT - great to me. They feel similarly to OP and stated there are no spots for unhooked ORM applicants.

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Have you thought about applying to universities outside of the US? UK universities could be a great option and are still accepting apps.

I thought about London School of Political Science and Economics but decided not to , also thought about Cambridge since my elementary school was also Cambridge so I thought it might be cool to say started at Cambridge ended at Cambridge but never sent in the app lol

Where are you with the visit planning?

Have you been able to contact people on any of the 3 campuses? Or even book tours? Or would you be walking on your own, in that case do you have some sort of audio tour?

Rutgers has nothing that I know of.


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Im planning in-person visits for next weekend (24-25) potentially

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Awesome.
Are you excited?
Will you be able to go visit on your own?

Probably not on my own, going with my dad

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It is good your dad is going with you – hopefully he will be able to see just how good a fit GW is for your area of interest.

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