<p>In my research, browsing rarely requires bringing in an entire journal, but if one wanted to request an entire journal, that can be done through Iliad as well. In fact, you're directly linked to Iliad when browsing articles and research on the internet that cannot be found at Brown through SFX so that if we don't have it it's very obvious how to get it.</p>
<p>modestmelody........can you have my babies?</p>
<p>I'm male, so the anatomical difficulties may be too much to overcome, not to mention my own sexual preference.</p>
<p>Incidentally, in re library resources, I'd argue that Brown has much stronger resources than you give it credit for, being at the intersection of three large library consortia - the Ivy League (minus Harvard) consortium, the Boston Library Consortium, and InRhode. I don't know of anywhere else with that much consortium access.</p>
<p>Have you ever considered that Brown isn't that highly ranked just because it doesn't deserve it? I mean, hell, I'd imagine that Stanford is better known and has a better reputation nationally than Brown, and Stanford isn't even in the Ivy League.</p>
<p>I just don't see why people pick Brown over Cornell, Yale, and even Stanford. I can see it if someone likes Rhode Island, but other than that...</p>
<p>well, for one thing, there's this thing called a curriculum...</p>
<p>And did you honestly just mention Cornell in the same breath as Yale and Stanford? Honestly?</p>
<p>Brown still does not have the same amount of respect as the rest of the Ivies, mgc. If you can get into Brown, you can probably get into the other schools, so I see no advantage of going to Brown.</p>
<p>As far as Cornell, I don't know anyone with a degree from Cornell who lives in a cardboard box, do you?</p>
<p>I just think for being an Ivy League school, Brown should step it up a notch.</p>
<p>I don't know anyone with a degree from Brown who lives in a cardboard box. Heck, I don't know anyone with a degree from anywhere who lives in a cardboard box. I'm not sure what your point is. Also, I wasn't aware that career path was the be-all end-all of college rankings - it's certainly not what I cared about when I was choosing.</p>
<p>About admissions, you seem a bit confused. Your assertion that 'if you can get into Brown, you can probably get into the other schools' is just misinformed. I suggest you take a look at numbers and the Princeton Review selectivity ranking, for example.</p>
<p>"I just think for being an Ivy League school, Brown should step it up a notch."</p>
<p>Hi-Power: I would recommend doing some more extensive research before making such bold assertions. The PR selectivity ranking is admittedly flawed, but someone else on this site posted a nifty link to a chart about where students choose to matriculate when given the choice between two specific schools. I can't seem to find the link, but from what i remember, Brown falls behind Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Stanford, and Caltech. However, when given the choice, the majority of students choose brown over Dartmouth, Penn, Columbia, Cornell (by a large margin), and a bunch of other great schools that are not designated as "ivies." </p>
<p>Apparently, unlike you, many, many students (myself included) DO "see [the] advantage of going to Brown." </p>
<p>if anyone has found the link, could you please post it? thanks that would be very helpful</p>
<p>Hi-Power is a typical CCer and half the reason why I started posting on this board-- to combat that thinking.</p>
<p>He has no sense of what's really going on, no sense of anything out of the PR rankings and a few other arbitrary numbers, and lacks the understanding of what makes a university a desirable place for the majority of people going.</p>
<p>Most of us don't go where our SAT scores says we should, we go to a place that in someway caters uniquely well to our personal needs and desires. I could now proceed to go into a 5,000 word diatribe about Brown's educational philosophy, what it is Brown offers that none of those schools you mentioned offered (btw, I find it hysterical you mentioned Cornell, especially coming from NY where many students see it as essentially and over glorified state school, though a FANTASTIC school at that), but mostly in the last few years I've realized that it's not worth talking to a wall on these subjects, and the best I'd get out of you is a, "Well this parent of so and so and this business man of so and so said that this would make me more money in the end." I'ts a lost cause.</p>
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<p>Haha, you would be surprised. With that comment I was trying to keep you on track with the subject since I'm not on this thread to discuss Cornell.</p>
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<p>You do realize that is the entire point of going to a university, right? I mean, what is the point of going to such an expensive school like Brown if you aren't planning on getting a stellar career? Just for the college experience? There are much cheaper places to learn and to get the college experience if that's what you're looking for.</p>
<p>If you're going to a university like Brown without any actual career goals in mind, then you've already lost focus.</p>
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<p>What, you don't think that some people who apply and get accepted into Brown cannot get into any other Ivies? If your point is that Brown is less selective, I can see that, but if a student can get into Brown he can probably push himself just a little bit more to get into one of the other Ivies.</p>
<p>My point is that I just don't think Brown has the reputation you would expect from an Ivy League school.</p>
<p>modestmelody, I think you are an excellent example of why Brown is not as respected as it should be. I come on here and suggest that maybe Brown isn't as well ranked because it doesn't deserve to be. I think there's a lot of basis in that comment and a lot of people agree with me. Yet you go into this huge tirade about how I'm wrong, how I lack the understanding of how Brown is desirable, etc.</p>
<p>If you like Rhode Island, then yes, I can see why you would want to go to Brown. But otherwise, I see no point of choosing Brown over the other Ivies as well as some other really good schools such as Stanford. Just about every quality you find at Brown you can find at other schools.</p>
<p>BTW, what's wrong with state schools, melody? The majority of very successful people I have met in life have all went to state schools. I honestly don't think you have an upper hand over those people just because you went to Brown. I think just that comment by itself shows your colors.</p>
<p>I don't think you have any room to bash state schools when several other non-Ivies are ranked just as good if not better than Brown.</p>
<p>ok thanks for clearing that up, Hi-Power. I didn't realize how ingorant you were before, but now it all makes sense.</p>
<p>Wow, manamaniac, I really must have pushed your buttons! You can't even seem to respond to my thread; all you can do is claim that I'm "ignorant." What a weak reply.</p>
<p>Just from your post, as well as some of the posts on this thread, it's obvious to me why Brown isn't ranked any higher. I guess it's just a school people go to because they "fit in" with the student body, not so much academics because there's other schools with the same level of academics, even ones that aren't considered Ivies.</p>
<p>BTW, if you really go to Brown, manamaniac, at least make an attempt to use proper grammar.</p>
<p>Hi Power </p>
<p>You have blindly and quite stupidly stumbled onto one of the main reasons people go to Brown. It's not just about getting a fancy career, in fact, it's not about that at all. It's about getting a fantastic and diverse education. It ties back into Modest's point about Brown's unique educational philosophy. Furthermore, you are wrong in asserting that the college experience is a generic thing to be found anywhere. The college experience will be different everywhere you go, and it is notably incredible at Brown (I have attended more than one school, so I do at least have a small basis for comparison). </p>
<p>Brown has so many things to offer not found at other Ivies (granted some Ivies have some of these features as well)!! An open curriculum, a quirky atmosphere, a focus on undergraduates, extrodinary advising...the list goes on. In my opinion Brown is any Ivy plus some. It gives you just as great of an education as other ivies plus a list of extrordinary features. You may disagree, but you don't go here, so you have no way of attesting to the quality of education found here. I am in no way bashing other ivies, I'm only boosting Brown. Other schools, like the ones you mentioned, are also great. But they don't have many of the features Brown has (like the open curriculum) that draw people here. That's just a fact. </p>
<p>Stanford isn't an ivy simply because it's in california. I don't know why this needs explaining. The ivy league was originally a football conference!! </p>
<p>And melody isn't bashing state schools, and he isn't prestige mongering. So don't jump to conclusions. We're talking about rankings here, and people's conceptions of a school's prestige. most state schools have a lower ranking and less prestige, hence the comparison of Cornell to a state school (people he knows think of it as lesser than perhaps it is)</p>
<p>And for the record, I have many friends who chose Brown over Yale, Harvard, and other schools.</p>
<p>Hi Power - Brown's selectivity is below that of HYPC and on par with or above that of DCP. Brown's placement into top graduate/professional programs rivals that of Columbia/Dartmouth and surpasses that of Penn and Cornell. You would do well to research the school more before making such bold and uninformed statements as it makes you look like a fool.</p>
<p>Don't feed the trolls.</p>
<p>Hi-Power, I'm sorry that "stellar career", and I'm sure by stellar, you mean money making, is the only thing you think the university is worth. Academia is shuttering all the back in it's long, rich tradition at that statement.</p>
<p>Oh how the university as an institution has fallen. And yes-- that's pretentious to say and I'm damn proud of it.</p>
<p>I'm not even go through point by point, I could exhaustively respond to each statement you make, but the truth is, that'll help no one. My suggestion is that you read some history of academia and check out some theories on the university, what it is, what it should be, etc. There is a wealth of information critically analyzing academia and it's place in history as well as searching for it's new purpose in the world today. All of it is fascinating and worth reading, though it may not earn you a spot at a law firm making 1million a year.</p>
<p>+1 on modest's reply: Hi-Power is a troll.</p>
<p>I will say, though, that I resent the passing reference to earning a spot in a law firm making millions - that's my sell-out future you're talking about! :-P In any case, if you wanted to go to a stellar law school and come out as a lawyer making millions, Brown's exactly where you'd want to go anyway! Everyone knows that in law school admissions, the magic four undergrad institutions (HYPS) are joined by their happy-go-lucky little brother (Brown).</p>
<p>I'll second modest's recommendation - you should do some research. The East-coast schools that you seem to hold in such high regard are the very same schools that, traditionally, would have scoffed at your ideas about the end goal of university education. You need to learn to know where your knowledge is limited.</p>
<p>Here here!!</p>
<p>And Hi Power -- your conclusion that Brown isn't ranked higher because students choose to go here because they think they will actually be happy here is completely erroneous. </p>
<p>First, students choose Because it offers a great (completely on par with HYP) education AND they will be happy here. </p>
<p>Second, US News doesn't take "students reasons for matriculation" into account in their rankings</p>
<p>Furthemore, real Brown students (I wonder if the original poster here is an actual student or just an applicant...) know what a great school Brown is and usually don't give a crap about US News and other rankings, as evidenced by the board. The fact that we are not prestige mongers does not reflect the quality of the school. If anything, it shows that our priorities are on education and not name brand prestige, which suggests that students here are motivated for the right reasons, and perhaps that Brown has an even better academic environment than other schools. I'd rather be around people genuinely passionate about learning (no laughing Jason...I did at least think this once) than around a bunch of prestige mongers in it for a name brand tattoo and a fancy job. That's a real college experience. </p>
<p>And don't insult people's grammar. I can think of few arguments more juvenile.</p>