<p>I wish I was black or mexican or native american...I just don't understand why these groups are getting speacial treatment. Things have changed in the world today and everyone is getting an equal opportunity at an education. How does it make sense that if you are one of these minorities, you get to get into any college of their choice with minimal stats? I also don't like the fact that if you are half mexican, african american, native american, you can qualify as yourself being a "minority".</p>
<p>...here we go.</p>
<p>oh the topic that shall never die. :p</p>
<p>the argument is that the equitable society you illustrate is a product of initiatives of affirmative action. Im not quite sure I agree with it...i think there needs to be more of a socio-economic focus, rather than pure race.</p>
<p>The Affirmative Action debate has been raging on and on... <em>headache</em></p>
<p>Because usually, if you're a Mexican, or black, or whatever, your parents probably didn't choose where they live based on how good the local school system is, and they certainly can't afford private school. They probably are not going to waste hundreds of dollars on SAT class so you can get a 2300. Why not? They probably make less than other people. Yes it is a fact that African-Americans and Hispanics in this country on average make less than people of other ethnicities. Not to mention the fact that you will probably have more kids in the family(this is from my experience), which means that you'll be pitching in and taking care of the family, or even get a job for more income, and be less focused on studying. Not to mention there might be discrimination against you in the schools. So no, it's not that they get special treatment just because their skin is of a different color.</p>
<p>Not again. <em>sighs</em></p>
<p>I like Chris Rock's attitude. He's got a great joke about how no one (white) in the audience would trade places with him if it meant they had to black.</p>
<p>If you really think your entire life, from birth to death (and including the college application process, of course) would be better, easier, more advantaged if you were black/hispanic/native american, more power to you and your sunny optimism.</p>
<p>But, if you're really confused about why they get special treatment, stop being so hung up on the "disadvantaged" thing. That's one argument for affirmative action, but it's hardly the only one. Some people don't even think it's the most compelling one. Students of color get "special treatment" because colleges find them desirable--just like they might find wealthy kids desirable, or entrepreneurs desirable, or students who want to major in atypical things desirable. Go read some of the amicus briefs in the U-Michigan case. Company after company filed briefs why they think it's better if college campuses have an ethnically diverse student body. It's a different perspective on it all--and has nothing to with absence of equality (which, after all, you don't believe exists).</p>
<p>vicissitudes,</p>
<p>Isn't your argument primarily an economic one, not a racial one.</p>
<p>So shouldn't the preference be based on economic factors, not racial ones?</p>
<p>hoedown,</p>
<p>Doesn't the same logic apply to people of different economic conditions? Replace "black" with "poor", and don't you get the same answer?</p>
<p>And I agree about the benefits of diversity, but who gets to decide what the right numbers are to make up a diverse student body? If the benefit is diversity, then the goal shouldn't necessarily be to create a student body makeup that mirrors society.</p>
<p>Believe me, I don't know the right answer and am not defending one side or the other. It's a really tough issue.</p>
<p>Can we not go through this again...there are PLENTY of threads on AA already. Do we really need to create another one that will blow up into a huge argument and then vanish into obscurity...</p>
<p>All of us older cc'ers are shaking our heads that this is happening again :(</p>
<p>SBDad: Yeah, but what's funny is that Chris Rock addresses that too. You wouldn't, he says, and I'M RICH! He goes on (paraphrase) "There's a busboy in the back saying, 'naaaah, I think I'll ride this white thing out a while, see where it takes me.'"</p>
<p>It's a great bit.</p>
<p>I'll have to try and track it down.</p>
<p>Hey head shakers, you don't have to read it. lol</p>
<p>Kill this post already!!!!</p>
<p>The Chris Rock Special...I think it was Chris Rock: Never Scared, on the Black Ambition Tour. It is so freaking funny...I catch it on HBO a lot...</p>
<p>Anyhow...what will be the point of this thread...everytime one of these threads start, people get at each other's throats and start pulling out wierd information from "sketchy" sites. No one ends up really listening to anyone else's opinion...take this from someone who's first post was in an AA debate...</p>
<p>I just don't like it when upper-middle class kids are getting ahead of the game just because they are 1/1x Hispanic or black.</p>
<p>Best personal example I have is a girl who I've known since 7th grade or so. We live in a pretty wealthy area in suburban Detroit. Her dad was an executive at PWC Detroit, and I can't see anyone in her family encountering difficulties because of race because her great-grandmother was Mexican.</p>
<p>End result of all that was a full-tuition scholarship to Michigan, all-expenses at MSU.</p>
<p>The girl in question is really nice and has decent leadership activities at our school. But I still don't know many people getting full rides at Michigan based on leadership. I don't have a major problem with AA for those who need it, but I do have a beef when those with better opportunities than the majority of the population are able to leapfrog their peers because they are 1/8th Hispanic.</p>
<p>Jeezz.....all I can do is join with shaking my head :(
This thread is pointless why do people seem to dwell on one thing when they could be out bridging the so-called disadvantage-gap they have with being white lol
goto a movie, eat dinner....</p>
<p>hahaha chris rock is too funny! there was another special where he confronted this issue again, sayin 'i dont support underqualified minorities from taking the spots of qualified whites, but if theres a tie, eff em, shoot you had a 400 yr head start (bleep), hahhhah" hilarious, brilliant comedian..</p>
<p>Rather than complaining about not being an unrepresented minority, perhaps you should learn to use the subjunctive mood correctly.</p>
<p>It's "I wish I were an underrepresented minority so I could utilize affirmative action despite the fact that my father makes approximately 290,893 dollars per year!"</p>