I would really like to get into MIT...Is it possible?...Any Tips?

<p>I want to go for either Computer Science or Astrophysics.</p>

<p>Ok, I am 16 and a entering Junior in HS, so I am going to try really hard to land a 4.0 my last 2 years.....since I ****ed up my freshmen year with a D in Spanish and my Sophomore year was meh with 2 As and mostly Bs.</p>

<p>Next Year I am taking AP History(only AP Course available) and Honors everything else except English(I SUCK at writing,but am EXTREMELY well read) and either Web Design(the only computer class my school offers) </p>

<p>My Senior Year I am aiming for AP Biology, AP Chemistry,Physics and AP Calculus if I can....But I may need to drop History(REALLY EASY) and Spanish(Leaving me with only 2 years or up to Spanish 3 which most schools REQUIRE) But I MAY need to drop one science.</p>

<p>Band while important presents a new problem...The teacher doesn't give As...I get Bs...
On the Sophomore PSATs, I scored 65s across the board for a score of 195.</p>

<p>I have taught myself in C++ and Java. I also educate myself on Physics and Astronomy
I love science and I get excited a science and technology...It think my personality is perfect since I simply love to learn.</p>

<p>Please I am willing to do almost anything to get in....</p>

<p>thats the wrong approach...you can't plan out your ECs just so they are modelled towards a specific school. MIT instead, is truly impressed by applicants pursuing in their true passions. If deep down you feel that music or sport is your passion as opposed to computer languages, then i strongly suggest you involve yourself in that. (I didnt have many math/sci ECs, most of mine were sport and volunteer work)</p>

<p>Just keep your academics up, yourself involved in acitivites you love to do, and write meaningful, honest and humble essays, and you should be fine.</p>

<p>PS: Once the Class Profile for 2012 is out, you can have a look at the median SAT score breakdowns etc. But if you manage over 2200 in the SAT reasoning and over 750 in the SAT subject tests, then your SATs will certainly NOT be the reason you aren't admitted into MIT. (MIT regards 750 just as highly as an 800)</p>

<p>Best of luck! And if there are any more specific questions you want to ask...then post them. Because there is no schedule that you can develop that will make sure you get into MIT.</p>

<p>I am not doing that...I love computers and astrophysics...Thats why they are my hobbies...
Is GPA going to be a problem?
My school DOES weight my GPA.</p>

<p>Oh mate, you're missing the point. I am not accusing you of not liking computers. It was just speaking hypothetically. Because a lot of applicants i know only commit to activities so they can get into good colleges. Never accused you of being one, was just offering advice. But its good that you love what you are doing. That is essential.</p>

<p>GPA is quite essential, yes. But you still have time to work on that, colleges love an improving trend. What is your unweighted GPA?</p>

<p>IDK I think I have like a 3.3 for this year...
<strong>cries</strong>
I'm screwed.....
But I am willing to work...until I drop
I want to convey to MIT, that I may not have perfect grades, but I LOVE to learn and I love knowledge.</p>

<p>Put it this way...If I got into MIT, I would cry and orgasm at the same time....</p>

<p>Don't get too obsessed over one college and do everything to try to fit its mold. I think I may've made that mistake- I REALLY REALLY wanted to go to MIT but didn't get in. But you know what? It's all ok now:)</p>

<p>Nightmarerec0n, I think you might stand a fair shot. If you look at the admissions profiles at MIT, they reject perfect 4.0's all the time in favor of those with lower gpa's and test scores.</p>

<p>MIT (along with most other top universities) actually tries to create a "class" that is diverse and well achieving. Just because you have perfect grades, test scores, and took a ton of ap classes doesn't guarantee you admission, just like non-perfect gpa's, test scores, and a lack of ap classes won't necessarily deny you admission.</p>

<p>I will say that MIT does not like to see D's on a report card. With that, if you take all the hard classes you are talking about and get a's in all of them, they will see that and take note of it. You might want to put something in your essay about how you realize your first 2 years of high school were not exactly ideal, but then you really put your nose to the grind and got good grades.</p>

<p>The fact that you taught yourself C++ and Java is going to help your admissions profile. You should take honors english in addition to everything else. If you suck that bad at writing, take the class and make yourself better at it. The admissions essays are brutal and if you still aren't good at writing by the time they come around, give yourself time for 5 or 6 revisions by an english teacher, parent, friend who is good at writing, etc.</p>

<p>I don't know how your school works, but if you could take AP bio your junior year, your life will be far more sane for senior year. My school didn't let us take AP's freshman year, but then I took AP Bio sophomore year, AP Physics (B and C) and AP US History Junior year, and AP Calc, AP Chem, and AP Gov (US and Comparative) my senior year. Having the better science background helped me immensely in AP chem (my teacher was horrible) and I actually learned Calculus in AP Physics so once I got into Calculus I didn't actually learn anything for the first semester or so. (then I got senioritis really bad second semester and didn't do homework for 3 months, but managed high A's on every test and wound up with an A in the class)</p>

<p>Just out of curiosity, do you go to a private or public school, and what region of the us are you in?</p>

<p>Now for outside of class stuff...
Pick an extracurricular that you absolutely love and become extremely good at it. If its music, the focus on that. If its track or some other sport, focus on that. If there is something that you love to do and aren't good at it, continue to do it. A suprisingly large portion of the MIT process is based on seeing that you do what you love doing.</p>

<p>That extracurricular could also be one of your computer science interests. For example, if you can make a useful application that people use or get a part time job at a company doing cs stuff, that will reflect very well on your application. If you could make a program or application AND brand it AND polish it AND start up your own company with it, (along with good test scores and maintaining grades and something that at least resembles a social life) I would be surprised if you didn't get in.</p>

<p>Then for application stuff...
Apply Early Action for MIT. It gives you an extra chance at getting in and demonstrates that you are highly interested. As I said earlier, get your essays done really early and have lots of people read through and give you advice on how to make them better.</p>

<p>I would also suggest turning in your application a week or so ahead of the deadline. (Early Action deadline is around Nov. 1 I think.) I do not honestly know if they can see what time you submit your application, but if they can, someone who gets it done well before the deadline would probably look better than someone who was throwing everything together the day before its due.</p>

<p>Also, you should get an interview with an someone in the MIT network. They will give you all the contact info when you start the application process, but interviews must be scheduled very early in your senior year, so make sure you start your application as soon as you can and get the information to contact you Educational Counselor (EC). I don't remember the exact statistics, but those who had a higher acceptance rate than those who did not. When you go to your interview, it will be at a place where both of you agree to meet (mine was actually in McDonald's, haha). Make sure you are dressed appropriately (full suit isn't usually required, just don't show up with ragged pants, a corona t-shirt, flip flops, etc. Usually Khaki pants and a nice looking shirt is casual enough and nice enough for wherever you go.) Have some well-thought out questions written down on a piece of paper when you show up, and practice asking them, as stupid as that might sound. Make sure you seem confident when you walk in and shake your EC's hand, and introduce yourself. Thank you EC when the interview is over and be kind in general. I was really nervous when I went into mine, thinking that I would be meeting with someone who was more than human, since they had actually graduated from my dream school, but they are just normal people, and are doing interviews because they want to help you.</p>

<p>That was a lot of info in one post, but I hope it helps. I really do think that you have a chance if you can follow through with what you are planning. Best of luck to you in 2 years.</p>

<p><i>I don't know how your school works, but if you could take AP bio your junior year, your life will be far more sane for senior year. My school didn't let us take AP's freshman year, but then I took AP Bio sophomore year, AP Physics (B and C) and AP US History Junior year, and AP Calc, AP Chem, and AP Gov (US and Comparative) my senior year. Having the better science background helped me immensely in AP chem (my teacher was horrible) and I actually learned Calculus in AP Physics so once I got into Calculus I didn't actually learn anything for the first semester or so. (then I got senioritis really bad second semester and didn't do homework for 3 months, but managed high A's on every test and wound up with an A in the class)</i></p><i>

</i><p><i>Just out of curiosity, do you go to a private or public school, and what region of the us are you in?</i></p>

<p>I go to public school in Rhode Island...</p>

<p>AP Bio my Junior year wasn't an option because normal Chemistry is a prerequisite to AP Bio and AP Chem. AP Physics isn't even offered...But me a few people want it so, I'll see what we could do....I bet "Convinced School to have AP Physics course" would go well with MIT :)</p>

<p>Anyways, As you said, i do sometimes get D or C on my report card but they are balanced by As and high Bs... For example I got a D on my Geometry Final because they teacher made us draw and he was put 10 problems on the back of the exam that I didn't know about even though the answer sheet was number that high.... but I got 2 A and 2 Bs giving me a B average.</p>

<p>I took AP Bio junior year - the only junior in the class, because my school also required chem, and you couldn't take chem earlier than junior year. But I got in by simply going up to the principal and asking - and she knowing that I was a good student let me in. Initiative is important with that stuff - no guarantees, but yeah...</p>

<p>Frankly, D's in math are going to hurt you.</p>

<p>Do you think you can get good recommendations? Are you very passionate in programming?</p>

<p>Also, don't completely dedicate yourself to one school. It's good to have a favorite, even an OMGAWESOME school, but realize that there are other amazing options out there =).</p>

<p>I mean it is worth a shot
I don't want to got to college for the prestige or the money, but to learn and research and eventually land a nice jobs in Cali at a nice big technology company or maybe a government job.
And it is terrible to know I am going to compete with people who want the prestige and money.
I honestly want to go to these colleges because they will provide me with a better education and opportunities in things like Research.</p>

<p>The D in math was ONLY the final test which I got for reasons above.
I still got a B in the class...I could have had an A but I had a 40 homework average.</p>

<p>I will try to meet with guidance on the bio issue, but that is hard since I still don't have my schedule for next year. </p>

<p>I should be able to get a recommendation from a few teachers
I am passionate in programming, You need to be to teach yourself.
I am hoping to do a awesome senior project which I will TRY to get someone from Ratheyon or NUWC to be my mentor.
But I need ideas on what to do...</p>

<p>I am not dedicating me to 1 school, but I need to options on what else is out there....</p>

<p>If you don't care about the prestige and money, then there are plenty of other schools you can look into also. MIT is great, but you should have a backup. I applied to Caltech, MIT, Stanford, Cornell, and Montana State University (backup school). I'm headed to Cornell next year, but any outside of the Ivy League and comparable schools, there are a ton of good colleges. I'm not sure what Rhode Island has as far as state universities, but you might want to look into their programs, since most state schools are pretty good and cost would be minimal compared to private or out of state schools.</p>

<p>The college application process should not be based only on schools you hear a lot about (that was my mistake) but instead you should do research as to what programs interest you, where you want to live, size of the school, stuff like that. I'd advise picking up one of the books that goes in depth about colleges. (Your school might have a copy that you could use or if you have a counselor, he or she will be an invaluable resource.)(Also, the US News and World Report produces a pretty good book on colleges)</p>

<p>Ah, a B in math isn't killer then. Though I'm not sure what your homework grade says about your work ethic..</p>

<p>Well, you tried. Like I said, no guarantees that it'll work, but it's worth a shot =D. Showing initiative in general is a good idea, and eventually you'll get something you're going for.</p>

<p>What have you done with your programming?</p>

<p>In Rhode Island , we have URI and RIC.
URI is meh, dorms suck,professors are decent. There specialty is Ocean stuff(They have Robert Ballard as a professor) and pharmacy(funded by CVS)&lt;/p>

<p>RIC is kinda suck...Ok for education</p>

<p>I will Apply to URI smply because it is safe and I am nearly gareented a close to free ride in FA is determined by Alumni Affiliation, which both my parents are Alumni. </p>

<p>I mean I look at this list
Search</a> - Computer Science - Best Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report
These are nearly ALL tops schools
Physics is even worse.....</p>

<p>I was looking at B A+M or stanford to study under Stroustrup or Knuth, respectively
Also UMass Amherst keeps looking better... They have some agreement with RI so I would only have to pay like $1000 more then In-State tuition. </p>

<p>Programming wise I have done a few things...I just recent have been teaching myself. But I have made a few games and another program that allows me to catalog my DVD,Books, and Video Games.
I plann on doing more or the summer since I have time.</p>

<p>So I've been messaging people and getting some responses, and they all seem to agree that your only extra curricular being programming, and not having done UBERAWESOME with it, will be detrimental. You might come across as a student who spends all his time studying, with the occasional putzing around on the computer, and that's no good.</p>

<p>Is there anything else you're passionate about, that you love? Things you'd like to try? I say go for it - and not for the sake of getting into MIT, but just for the sake of doing something fun besides the occasional programming.</p>

<p>I play trumpet in Marching,Concert, and Jazz Band and the guitar for fun.
I am big fan of fixing electronics and overall taking things apart and learning how they work.
I play golf for fun.
I am on my schools Mock Trial Team which is one of the best in the country. We finished 19th in the country in 2000 and 2001. And we make it to the state finals nearly every year.
I'm fond of International Politics as well.
I am a founding member of my schools debate club. Fitting because I love to debate</p>

<p>I like to read I just finish The Divine Comedy and I am now reading "Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman" which a great book....Feynman is a inspiration </p>

<p>I taught myself basic Latin as well..Not a lot mind you</p>

<p>This is going to sound corny, but I am super passionate about research.
I did a LOT of good mandatory stuff in
In 6th grade, I did a near college level 24 page report on the CIA.
In 7th grade, I placed 2nd in the Rhode Island Science Fair on my report on Obesity in domestic animals as a result of humans.
In 8th grade, I placed 1st in the same thing with a project on Harmful Elements and Chemicals in Drinking Water in Public Buildings and I won a prize from the Department of Public Work. Sadly I didn't win the grand prize/bond in my group because a high schooler had an identical project and the people running it believed it would be better to give it to him so he could use it on his college application and the $500 bond more. Yes they told me this and I believe they made the right choice. </p>

<p>I would have loved to continue this, but you must be nominated by your school via school competition, but the high school I go to doesn't have </p>

<p>I am really passionate about technology overall. Nothing excites me more then when there is a breakthrough in something. I am overall very excited for the technology of tomorrow and how it will improve out lives.<br>
Astronomy is my other passion. </p>

<p>I love the universe. I read about it and keep up to date on space news. I like to look out using a telescope and search for things that I have never seen like a Star Cluster or a Galaxy cluster. Obviously resources limit this, I am not going to be finding gamma ray burst and black holes with a basic telescope. </p>

<p>I don't study a lot(Unless getting lost on Wikipedia count) and I program, not for fun but to achieve something.
I made that cataloging program because I have a lot of junk and I don't want to buy the same thing twice.</p>

<p>So this will probably get a lot of angry responses for this rant, but whatever, I should mention this.</p>

<p>When people say "I learned how to program" or "I program once in a while for fun" or "I wrote a really simple XYZ program once!" they should remember who/what MIT is. MIT is arguably the best place to study CS on the entire planet. MIT has some of the best programmers in the world. People at MIT <em>know</em> the difference between programming and <em>programming.</em> </p>

<p>Programming in the traditional sense is coding the types of brain-dead applications that thousands of drones write at big companies. This type of work is something I expect almost any freshmen at MIT to pick up, and excel at within a few months. It's nothing special at all, and is just as basic as knowing basic HS Algebra. </p>

<p><em>Programming</em> on the other hand is a far more difficult thing to do. This is writing programs to solve problems that you can find in the back of the algorithms book. These are the type of problems where you spend far more time thinking than coding, and the types of problems that will net you six figure salaries really fast if you can solve them. THESE are the types of problems that are impressive for you to be working on if you are <em>programming.</em> These problems TEACH you how to think, how to break down hard problems, how to solve them, etc. </p>

<p>Now before you go on a long rant about how "well nobody introduced me to this type of stuff, blah blah." Well half of open source software is written by people who had less opportunities than you. If you have regular access to the internet at home, then you've pretty much loss your excuses (forgoing something like having to work long hours to support your family after school, etc, which in itself is incredibly impressive).</p>

<p>The point is that don't be surprised if the nifty applications you wrote at home in HS don't turn any heads in MIT's ad-com. If you are serious about programming, get off CC and go start studying and solving <em>hard</em> problems that will twist and stretch your brain. </p>

<p>But don't say:</p>

<p>"I don't study a lot(Unless getting lost on Wikipedia count) and I program, not for fun but to achieve something. I made that cataloging program because I have a lot of junk and I don't want to buy the same thing twice."</p>

<p>Thank for all responses
More tips or opinions are appreciated..</p>

<p>Also say I am rejected (89%+ chance), What about graduate school?
I imagine it is extremely selective, but not as competitive. </p>

<p>This questions is for both majors(CS and Astrophysics/Physics)
If I chose to go the Astrophysics route, I am basically required to go for a PhD since most jobs are research based, rare, and competitive. And I think MIT would be great, especially if 20 years down the road I want to become a professor. </p>

<p>Not to mention MIT has the MIT-Cambridge partnership, and Cambridge has one of the best astrophysics programs in the world thanks to Stephen Hawking:)
Not to say MIT has a bad program...I believe you partially control(with Harvard) the Chandra X-ray Center..</p>

<p>No clue on if you'll get in or not, but a response to one of your posts...</p>

<p>"I am passionate in programming, You need to be to teach yourself." - Um, if you taught yourself the type of programming that differential's talking about, then yeah sure you're passionate. However, if you taught yourself the type of programming that I taught myself...well, that doesn't really say much. I taught myself a few languages (C++, Java, PHP, MySQL, although I wouldn't say the last two really count; will probably pick up another one this summer just because I can) and I'm not passionate about programming. It's fun figuring out algorithms, sure, but nothing I'd want to devote my life to.</p>

<p>I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of applicants have taught themselves (and if they haven't, they're probably capable of doing so) a programming language somewhere along the line. I don't think teaching yourself how to program would show admissions that you're passionate about it unless you have some really interesting work to show.</p>

<p>And uh, don't worry about grad school just yet. Wait til you get to that point in college when most people think about grad school to figure out if it's really what you want. Enjoy your undergraduate years instead of fretting over grad school! :D</p>

<p>I am not completely worried about grad school....It just wanted to open up the possibility.</p>