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She’s got close to a 4.0 with some AP classes factored in.
I just threw that music education part in there. She’s currently teaching already and that’s why I said that. Basically just a music degree is what we’re looking for. I know she can pursue music education later.
I am apparently being unclear, or else not understanding. If you get certified at a state university for music education, is that not through a BM degree?
I consider BM degrees to be a “conservatory approach” if I understand the OP;s meaning.
I did not mention anything about high level conservatories. The OP’s daughter is looking at small liberal arts schools. For BM or BA? Not clear.
OP wrote: “We are in great financial need…”
Daughter is “…serious about music, but also interested in other subjects…”
Seems like Northwestern University should be at or near the top of your list.
What’s her unweighted. Does she have a sat/act.
The best school out of merit…assuming a 3.5+….is gonna be Alabama. You’d be with room and board $18k a year. If you had a 4.0 unweighted, I of Az similar. Not east coast but if you need cost, you have to chase. Or short of a pell grant or choosing dirt cheap OOS a school like W Carolina has cheap OOS tuition. Others mentioned SUNY. As you know public universities in general support in-state students. Murray State is another to look at.
Not sure y u r so coy…ie not providing state of residence etc. it would help.
In general with public if you are chasing cost, you have to go to the schools, even if not in your preferred area.
Good luck.
https://scholarships.ua.edu/freshman/out-of-state/
https://financialaid.arizona.edu/types-of-aid/scholarships/incoming-transfer
This is very confusing. Did you read the Double Degree Dilemma which I believe is pinned at the top of the music majors section of this site. If not, @compmom can link it. Read it today.
If your student teaches private violin lessons, that is VERY different than teaching as a school teacher in a school…very different.
My kid is a freelance professional musician. He does private teaching as part of his freelance work. He has zero interest in getting school certification. Zero. You need to ask your daughter if she is really interested in working as a school music teacher. If not, please don’t have her pursue this as a career.
Re: adding BM programs…as I said earlier….it’s December. Most BM programs require an audition. Unless times have changed, it’s getting very late, if not too late…to add schools that require an audition to gain entrance into their music major programs.
@compmom yes…teacher certification via a BM in Music Education is a viable path at many colleges. My point was…you don’t need a conservatory environment to get that BM in music education…plenty of colleges offer music education that are not high level conservatory.
It sounds like this student play her instrument well, and would like to continue that. This is also possible at many colleges and you don’t have to major or minor in music.
If it were me…and I was adding schools at this point…I would look at the public university programs in the OPs state of residence. There is likely more than one public college in the state that offers music and music education. OR will give the student opportunities to continue to play her instrument otherwise.
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Ok…I’ll add two more public universities that have good music programs.
University of North Carolina School of the Arts in Winston Salem. This is an arts conservatory college. So no option to switch majors to something outside of the arts. Audition required.
The College of New Jersey. Great music education programs…don’t know about how accessible ensembles are for students not majoring in music. Audition required for music majors.
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One more thing…to the OP.
You say you have financial need. That being the case, public universities outside of your state of residence very well could be unaffordable. I would suggest you run a few net price calculators to see. Public universities first have an obligation to provide funds to their residents. With the exceptions of UNC Chapel Hill and UVA, they do not guarantee to meet full need for all accepted out of state students.
So…look in your state first if you are looking for affordable public universities.
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OP has missed the date for required pre-screening for Northwestern. (Did I catch in this thread that student plays violin?)
Curtis is one of the most selective conservatories in the world and most definitely does not offer music Ed.
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OP - your best option for info is to talk with your D’S teacher, laying out financial concerns and uncertainties in the degree she wants to pursue. The teacher may know very fine instructors at schools that are off-radar fir many and may have money for good students. Presumably, you have done this already.
My experience is post-grad, I know College of Charleston came through for a cellist in our acquaintance and university of Houston for a violinist. These schools may not be what is desired for undergrad, just saying that well connected teachers can know things the rest of us don’t.
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Name of school that offers one year grad degree with licensure? That would be good to let students know about.
When my second kid applied, kid was a top ranked musician on the instrument which was one most ensembles are desperate to have. College of Charleston was very clear….unless you majored in music, you could not audition for their orchestra.
That took College of Charleston OFF my kid’s list of colleges.
Oh…another east coast public. University of South Carolina. School has multiple ensembles and all majors are invited to audition for them.
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English horn/oboe is not necessarily the same as a violin for orchestra auditions at smaller schools. Also your D’S experience with College of Charleston was over 10 years ago. Current rules and requirements should always be checked- things change, teachers change.
Not sure the relevance of your anecdote - other than irritation which I also would have felt! I used CofC as an example of a broad approach to finding great schools for individual circumstances.
And, I certainly agree that OP, at this point if time, is very late to the game.
I would think UNC Greensboro or Appalachian State first if you’re going with North Carolina public schools beyond UNCSA.
Did I miss which state the OP lives in?
Everyone sems to be suggesting schools with BM’s. I am still thinking maybe the OP’s daughter was looking at “small liberals” with decent music programs but without BM’s/auditions. But it is unclear.
The OP is looking to add schools now. Wondering if the colleges already applied to are conservatories, LACs or colleges with great music programs…or what.
This.
Here is what the student should do. She (the student) should contact the music department chair, the orchestra director, and whomever is in charge of the string program. Simply ask what options are available. That’s what my kid did over 10 years ago, and folks were very helpful.
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Thank you for this clarification.
So why are you asking about public colleges…especially since some suggestions likely are OOS and will be costly.
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Here is the music major information for The College of New Jersey. It fits your criteria…and might be a good option as a public university with a good music program.
https://music.tcnj.edu/admissions/
And this is for Rowan, also in NJ. Merit aid would be a good possibility at this school.
https://cpa.rowan.edu/music/auditions/UndergraduateMusicAdmissions.html
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Food for thought:
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Music Education doesn’t get much better than Crane School of Music at SUNY Potsdam - public or private. Out of State tuition is cheaper than in state tuition in some states. Another vote for Crane.
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