<p>Just wondering. I know the merits of each school and like both. But have always wanted my s to go to UVA and would be beyond happy if accepted.</p>
<p>Do you think that most that get a particular decisions at one of these two tend to get the same decision at the other?</p>
<p>I will always remember two OOS kids in my S's class: One dreamed of UNC, but was rejected and attends UVA. The other was the exact opposite. They actually considered calling the admin offices and asking if they could trade. I think if you are OOS it is just too tight to say, but certainly it is a good sign. Congrats on UNC. Great place.</p>
<p>2007: was your son admitted at UNC? I know you were patiently waiting a response, hope it was favorable. </p>
<p>But I agree, the schools are so competitive its too close to say. In CA, it is fairly rare for students to get admitted to both UCLA and Berkeley, for example. In our graduating class it is almost always split right down the middle. Competition is just so tough, this year in particular, nothing is a guarantee. But I suppose you can take OOS admission to UNC as a good sign!</p>
<p>It really is a function of what each school is looking for and what their needs may be. I have heard stories about kids getting into Harvard and being rejected at Brown or Princeton. I may be wrong but I don't think there really is a way to tell under most circumstances.</p>
<p>Does he have the qualifications, student-wise? Probably, if he got into UNC (I assume this is CH we're talking about). But, essays play a huge role in UVA's admissions, and recs/other info may be viewed differently at each school. So, his chance probably went up, but it's still not even close to a guarantee. Also, being OOS makes it a high unknown too, because of number/class-filling for both schools may be different. UNC vs UVA OOS reminds me of UVA vs W&M IS for Virginians: one may get accepted at UVA, rejected by W&M, while someone with very very similar stats might receive the exact opposite outcome.</p>
<p>I think in state v. out of state is very important in this case...</p>
<p>Is the OP instate Va or oos?</p>
<p>If you were accepted oos at UNC Chapel Hill wouldn't it be logical that you would have a good chance at UVA as an instate applicant?</p>
<p>Sorry for inserting logic into admissions decisions. I was just thinking that UNC takes so few ppl oos (less than UVA) that if the application was good enough to get u a spot oos, getting into UVA instate should be a reasonable expectation. </p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
<p>I agree with Barrett08</p>
<p>I too would agree with Powderpuff and Barrett08.</p>
<p>The young man I mentioned in one of my other posts who received a Likely Letter (and subsequent Offer of Admission) from UVA last year as an In State applicant was also accepted at UNC as an OOS student. He fit the profile for both schools quite well (although it's worth noting that he was also a double legacy for UNC).</p>
<p>With all due respect to Barrett08's inference (tongue in cheek I hope) about the lack of logic in admission's decisions, I feel compelled to take up for Dean J and her colleagues in the UVA Admissions Office. I think UVA's Admissions Officers do their best to provide a level playing field for applicants to the University, and to make objective and fair decisions after a thorough review process that takes into account an applicant's entire "body of work" during their high school years. I'm sure some situations and decisions are difficult, but I believe the holistic process used by UVA is as good as I've seen for giving all applicants maximum consideration before a decision is rendered.</p>
<p>If the OP is still tuned in, what state are you (or your child) applying from?</p>
<p>If it helps, I was accepted to both UVa and UNC. I have been told that my essays were the strongest part of my application, so maybe that was most important for both schools.</p>
<p>UNC looks primarily at GPA/SAT (according to their admissions info session). UVA looks more at the whole individual. That's my own feeling at least. UNC's OOS admissions are a complete crapshoot. If you look at the UNC thread, you have people with 1850s OOS getting admitted, while those with 2270s are waitlisted or rejected. Sometimes I'd like to crawl inside the mind of an admissions officer, just for a moment, to see the thought process behind these things. I mean, I'm sure the 1850er is deserving, but it would just be interesting to see how they decide.</p>
<p>Hard to understand the process.</p>
<p>Got a LL from UNC then accepted oos. No LL from UVa instate. Despite the "only a few get a LL" it makes me worry....</p>
<p>they must look for something entirely different from unc. i think i always assumed that most the got into one got into the other but that does not sound right after reading the posts.</p>
<p>^^I wonder if Dean J has any opinions on the admissions standards/process at UNC and UVA?</p>
<p>Same boat here. Accepted to UNC Chapel Hill OOS, but no likely letter from UVa even with Va. based leadership awards. I met a girl from Chapel Hill who is an Echols scholar at UVa. Maybe the irony is appealing. I've been reading a lot about safety issues at Duke and Chapel Hill. Seem to be gangs in Durham. I live in downtown Charlottesville and feel safe here. I imagine everyone felt safe in Chapel Hill too before the recent sad events. I'm hoping to get accepted into Echols. That would make my decision simple. I knew a girl who had planned her whole life on going to UVa. Her father is one of their key alums. When she didn't get Echols she went to Princeton. Her brother came along a couple of years later and was offered Echols OOS.. Maybe dad threw a fit. I think there simply are not enough slots for the number of quality students so you have to try not to get your heart too set and apply to say UVa, Duke, UNC, etc. and the odds are you'll get into one. I wouldn't even bother to apply OOS unless your scores fall into their upper range at schools like UVa and Chapel Hill.</p>
<p>i agree and believe everything u said. and i have been afraid to post my worries about the recent problems in nc because i would not want to upset anyone. it is so terrible and as a parent, even though i know crime is everywhere, i also know that there are areas in the triangle that are real problems. on the other hand, when i lived in richmond, i felt safe there. recently they had a problem with a young girl being murdered. but it still causes me to pray he gets into uva. i worry about my kids so much and probably too much but there is something about uva that makes me feel like it is the place to be.</p>
<p>Let's not forget that Charlottesville had a serial rapist on the loose for nearly a decade. Thank God he was recently arrested. My point is simply that, sadly, every part of this country has its problems with crime; you just need to teach your kids to be smart and to make use of university services (security, shuttle buses, etc.).</p>
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<p>Can imagine what that would be. Both call their process holistic.</p>
<p>I agree with bluesweetie, it pays to always assume the worst and conduct yourself as if danger is present. One of the things I love about where I live is the European feel of downtown Charlottesville.. I walk everywhere. I notice groups of homeless seem to congregate around the library, in the parks, on the doorsteps of downtown churches.. I'm guessing for a reason. I don't know for a fact, but I would guess they are there for something like a soup kitchen. When I see one of these groups in my path I weigh how it would feel to see a person cross the street when they see me against the reality of what a desperate person down on their luck might do. Recently a girl was raped near UVa campus and because she was talking on her cell phone the police caught the rapist. Now police are advising if you are walking alone TO talk to someone on your cell phone till you reach your destination which is updated advice. It had been felt talking on your cell phone distracted you from paying attention to your surroundings. I feel I will be safe and happy at all the schools to which I applied because all are great schools and I will do my part to keep myself safe. The gang issue in Durham is something I want to know more about. I hear it's been a problem for a long time, but didn't seem to spill over into UNC or Duke's campus. I think campus security at all schools is being taken more seriously than ever before. I tend to think the loss Chapel Hill suffered will result in heightened security there.</p>
<p>you are probably right. wouldn't you think these guys would want money or guns or something instead of killing someone for the heck of it. i guess becaue unc is very close to durham and charlottesville is not really close to a problem area is what 2007 moms means. I have seen the homeless people in that area but i would hope we don't put homeless in the category with gang memeber and murderers. very different motives for each. some just want food. the guys in ch were just no good in any way.</p>