<p>I agree society should be trying to up the qualification level. And it is. With current trends, AA will be obsolete in 20-30 years. More URMs are succeeding academically than ever before. High school graduators and college hopefuls are increasing every year, and this is including URMs. The plan with AA is that the advantage is provides will decrease each year, and eventually fade. We don't have idiots entering the Ivy League (sans athletics), regardless of race or legacy. Every student at these schools is bright.</p>
<p>Spelbots: Unleashing powerful spells upon the world. Robot Style.</p>
<p>Sorry, that's just the first thing I though about when I read spelbots.</p>
<p>Aeggie-</p>
<p>I like how you try and misrepresent me. Are you referring to the kid that I said to "not a guarenteed admit or reject. good luck" to as the one I flamed? Wow.</p>
<p>hotpiece-</p>
<p>If that is the case, okay. But you can't say "I will" if you are applying to Harvard EA, because it certainly makes it look like you aren't planning on definitely going to an HBC.</p>
<p>"you don't know what you are talking about. If colleges only care about socioeconomics as you are suggesting, race wouldn't play a factor. It does. Now unless you are going to make sense, don't post worthless stuff. Have a nice day."</p>
<p>No, but I'm personal friends with someone who used to work at admissions a Brown, so I think he would have some semblance of how admissions actually work, or at least more so than some disgruntled kid.</p>
<p>"I find it interesting that the only people here who support AA are blacks who benefit from it."</p>
<p>I find it interesting that you ignored the posts from the two Asians supporting, those most "hurt" by AA.</p>
<p>Hey, as they say, ignorance is bliss. I'm guessing that you're going to be blissful for a very long time. : )</p>
<p>Like i said, i only applied to harvard to appease my parents. I will, unless there is a nuclear explosion that destroys Spelman, be attending Spelman in the fall. Besides, Spelman will probably give me a full ride, based on academics, whereas at harvard i will get no aid. Even though my parents are upper class, they don't want to pay for 4 children to attend college and then graduate school at the same times.</p>
<p>Desert, I'm talking about this. From the topic about the kid with low SAT scores, that I referenced...</p>
<p>"AP Freak-
It seems many will be happy when you get rejected." - You.</p>
<p>You are a jerk. Everywhere you go. No matter what. Stop it.</p>
<p>bptoast-</p>
<p>Two things. I was referring to hotpiece and DiamondT as the two blacks that are in support of AA. If you read this thread, they are the main two supporters of it. If there are others (like yourself I suppose you are referring to?) then I did not notice.</p>
<p>Number two. I am personal friends with the ex-admission officer from Yale. He has told me their admissions practices, and a Yale admissions officer is more credible than a Brown one, so my comments are more substantiated.</p>
<p>Aeggie-</p>
<p>Thanks for talking my comments entirely out of context. You are brilliant, my friend. That wouldn't stand in a grade school debate much less a college one.</p>
<p>i think AA should move into socioeconomic AA. That will still not change as there are many low income students out there.</p>
<p>I agree with Kryptoniteman, because quite frankly i could care less if i was viewed the same as a white applicant.</p>
<p>The only thing the Yale vs. Brown thing shows is that private colleges set up their own admissions standards, which SHOULD be obvious anyway... That means that neither probably have much to do with how Columbia's (Or Harvard's, or Amherst's, or Podunk U's) adcoms behave.</p>
<p>Desert - Are you trying to honestly say that your comments were constructive? Or that they weren't mean-spirited? Or that it was at all appropriate? I saw it a particularly low and shifty way to voice your own opinions through others.</p>
<p>And how am I misrepresenting you with DIRECT QUOTES?</p>
<p>"Yale admissions officer is more credible than a Brown one"</p>
<p>How so?</p>
<p>Tell me more of this Yale admissions officer. Did he look at a subpar application and say "oh sh1t, this kid is black, we gotta let him in!!!"</p>
<p>If so, he was crappy at his job. Again, I want to refer you to "A is for Admissions," or at least speak to someone who's read it.</p>
<p>I go to an exclusive private school. Traditionally, the URMs who matriculate into the Ivies are from scholarship programs meant to give kids a shot at a private education. The URM's who go to lesser schools are the middle to upper-middle class kids who simply didn't work as hard.</p>
<p>You seem to think that any black or Hispanic kid who manages to break 600 on the SATs is guaranteed a spot at an Ivy or otherwise uber-exlcusive school. That is simply false. Again, adcoms are smarter than that (with the exception of that incompetent Yale guy you know). </p>
<p>Were you the one that suggested the URMs should just go to state schools? Well, the state schools (not UC schools) are the biggest offenders of AA. They simply use race to boost admissions. That's what I call racism.</p>
<p>skierdude and jack, guess what?? your entire arguments invalid.</p>
<p>know why??</p>
<p>because affirmative action DOES help disadvantaged white kids.</p>
<p>good job doing your research, guys. good job.</p>
<p>(sorry if someone already posted a comment like mine, but i didn't have time to read through all of them.)</p>
<p>and i HATE it when people complain. if you want a change in the way things are done, then CHANGE IT YOURSELF. call colleges. ask them what's up with their policies if you don't believe they're fair.</p>
<p>Oh, and just so that we can clear things up, I never said that I was for AA. I simply replied to a lot of statements that i think are misinformed. As i said in my first response to this thread, on page one:</p>
<p>"I do know that a lot of minorities may apply because of economic status moreso than race."</p>
<p>Thus, i believe that AA should be economics based and not race based.</p>
<p>the economic help that AA provides is how whites (and all other races) benefit from AA. [this is provided that the GPA and SAT scores are within par of the college that the person is applying into].</p>
<p>"You seem to think that any black or Hispanic kid who manages to break 600 on the SATs is guaranteed a spot at an Ivy or otherwise uber-exlcusive school."</p>
<p>No, I think that a black kid with 600s is far more likely than a white/Asian kid with 600s to be accepted, given that everything between them (income level, educational opportunities, discrimination, etc) is the exact same. That is racist.</p>
<p>There are plenty of low income Asians who get discriminated against. Yet they sure don't get AA.</p>
<p>
So you are saying you won't attend Harvard if you get in?</p>
<p>I believe I will stand out in the field of computer science/mathematics more if i became a member of the Spelbots and it will be infinitely cheaper. My family thinks i am insane though.</p>
<p>"No, I think that a black kid with 600s is far more likely than a white/Asian kid with 600s to be accepted, given that everything between them (income level, educational opportunities, discrimination, etc) is the exact same. That is racist."</p>
<p>And that is why the term Underrepresented Minority Exists. When it comes down to identical stats (and since stats seem to mean everything to you, subjective things like essays and recs have no value) the favor goes to the one that would make that class as diverse and interesting as possible. If some freak fluke occurred and blacks far outnumbered Asians in Ivy applications, then the admission offer would probably go to the Asian if there were a tie (assuming all 600s would get anyone in anyway).</p>