<p>You know when you put it that way, you could be right dude. But when you write out a whole scathing diatribe that might not even be relevant to x90, then I don't know what else to tell you other than "you're wrong." </p>
<p>Before you take the moral high road here, just realize that we're dealing with such a complicated issue with no easy answers. You say that people can just simply drop out if they don't like college, but college is practice for the real world. It's full of experiences that I'll never want to forget, and it's the only time in your life when you can make a boatload of mistakes and still not have that stuff bite you in the **. By no means do I consider it a means in itself, but like I said, this experience *matters.</p>
<p>The key thing here as you've pointed out is that people are totally approaching this the wrong way. People view college as a step to something 'greater', rather than the experience that it truly is. But you know what they realize when they're doing pointless BS years later in a job that they hate, trying to accumulate enough money to escape the profession? That's not the way life works. Happiness or success does not come from doing all the 'right' things - it comes from figuring out what you want and going out and getting it. And there are no specific how-to manuals to figure out how to get what you want - you have to carve your own place in this world.</p>
<p>I actually agree with you dude, just not when you made those unsubstantiated claims against x90. Even if the guy did have some ulterior motives, there are still some great points to be made with a topic like this - I just don't want you to be taking a shower in the woods and not notice the forest fires around you.</p>
<p>Lecaf - I'm "hopelessly ironic"? Haha that doesn't even make sense, you laughable moron. Did you even read my post? I said all I want in life is to be happy. I AM passionate, that's why I'm happy and actually like my life. I think it's funny you don't know me but are sitting on your ass behind your computer and talking about my life as if you know me, when I seem to be one of the few happy people on this miserable thread of whiners. </p>
<p>x90 - My post seems to have gone way over your head. Let me re-explain - you HAVE jailed yourself. I never called you rich or spoiled. What I meant is, you CHOSE to go to college. At some point you must have realized, college is a better option than your other choices, which (i'm guessing) was a minimum-wage job. You chose this because you don't want to handle the real world as is - that's not an insult. Most college students don't, that's why we're here.</p>
<p>I agree with Peter Parker completely. You're whining about stuff you CAN change, and you refuse to acknowledge it. The title of your thread is "If I could, I would drop out." Guess what, you CAN. But you don't want to work at McDonalds. Well, now we're back to square 1 - college. </p>
<p>I'm saying if you don't like something, change it. But the truth is, you don't want to change it - you're going to stay right where you are, and after you graduate college, you still might not be happy, because the corporate world is structured this way too. College is really a learning experience, and I'm not talking about academics - cause all that stuff you're whining about now is out there too. Stop acting like college is some kind of mental prison. What's happened is you've gotten a taster of the real world, and you don't like it. I don't know your expectations, but if you think college is some kind of prison, well that's just sad. With that kind of attitude, good luck after graduation. I'm really just being honest because I don't understand your attitude one bit. You remind me of my kid sister who cries about tests and grades and asks me why they exist. I'm sure you'll think I'm being mean since I didn't join in on the whining and instead was being blunt, but whatever.</p>
<p>You know what's sad molly? That you choose to pick out specific points, and just refuse to acknowledge the bigger picture. That you don't see just how wrong you actually are. Believe me, I read your post, and it's one of those things that you either get it or you don't. You clearly don't, but here's what you said anyways:</p>
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I wanna get a JD. I picked a subject I like (Econ) and don't mind studying for a couple years. my dreamjob would be Law/Policy so Econ makes sense as well. I have 4 years of college to enjoy, then 3 years of grueling hard Grad work, then the real world. I'm excited about it. You know what I wanna do with my life? I wanna get married, have 2 kids, live in a pretty house in the 'burbs, near NYC
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<p>You believe that by doing all these things and following a certain trajectory, that you will achieve true happiness. I'm just pointing out that your take on life is just so fundamentally flawed that I don't think you'll ever understand what true passion and happiness mean until you're stuck in that BigLaw job or whatever several years down the road, drinking yourself away in happy hours and wishing only to escape the profession that has trapped you. Yes, we have the choice to drop out of college now, but it won't be that easy to do so in the real world when your job at Citigroup and your responsibilities at home will imprison you for good.</p>
<p>Once again, it's something that you either get, or don't. You're not passionate. You only think you're passionate because you believe that doing all the 'right' things will lead you to the promised land - it won't. And I'm sorry that you don't see it that way. Also, you've completely misconstrued my post and have tried to bring up concerns that don't exist, but that's completely missing the underlying issue here.</p>
<p>I also think it's funny that you carry this silly notion of a 'dream' job. Maybe it's a College Confidential thing, but I keep reading about these really stupid concepts like 'dream' schools or whatever. No job or school has you.</p>
<p>No, you know what's sad, Lecaf? That you're stupid enough to keep talking as if you know me and are telling me what to think about my life. You don't know me, you don't know my goals or my life but you keeping yakking as if you're my life coach.
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You believe that by doing all these things and following a certain trajectory, that you will achieve true happiness.
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No, you don't get it - I'm ALREADY happy. The point I was trying to make in my first post is I'm not after a huge salary - having a family would be enough for me.
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I'm just pointing out that your take on life is just so fundamentally flawed that I don't think you'll ever understand what true passion and happiness mean until you're stuck in that BigLaw job or whatever several years down the road, drinking yourself away in happy hours and wishing only to escape the profession that has trapped you
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You're an idiot if you think you can make that assessment about someone you've never met. I'm not after some BigLaw job, I have no interest in that. I actually want to go into Policy work and do some good in the world. I intern at the United Nations and would kill to work there as an adult. I want tort reform in the U.S.A so Americans can afford healthcare and our quality of life will improve. I'm planning on doing 1 year of Peace Corps between Undergrad and Law School. After I graduate, I'm planning on work as a Government lawyer when I could easily make more money in the private sector. I want to go into policy because
I'm passionate about law but feel that the legal system as is is kind of unfair and would like to see some changes made to help people. I AM passionate, because I've found something I actually care about. So the fact that you, someone who doesn't know and hasn't even met me is telling me what to do with my life - well that's just pathetic.</p>
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I looked at the link you posted...no, it wasn't worth my time. I read part of it though...yeah keep telling me how miserable my life will be and I'm fundamentally flawed. It's kind of funny considering you don't know a damn thing about me. But I'm happy as I am and enjoy my life, sorry if you don't and feel you're in a prison.</p>
<p>And this discussion is over. You are clearly disturbed by the stuff that I posted...but I don't blame you. It's difficult to get unplugged from the matrix.</p>
<p>Haha this discussion is over because maybe you've realized you're a laughable twit who keeps talking as if he knows something. The concept that you don't know me but are telling me I'm doomed to being miserable and hating my life is ridiculous...are you an idiot? You keep analyzing my life and predicting my future. Sorry if you're miserable, but don't take it out on me.</p>
<p>Yeah I'm an idiot. I apologize if I've offended you, or if you just didn't want to consider some alternative viewpoints. There, you have the moral victory. Now, let's end this, because huge posts in response to individual points really go nowhere.</p>
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I currently go to a top five liberal arts school, and for what it is, the classes are great. However, school environments in general offer little freedom--everything is routine, and we're graded on how well we can fetch and regurgitate information like dogs. I love learning, but not in this educational system, where grades take precedence over knowledge. The education system is so flawed, yet everyone around me continues to go with it. I know people are going to talk about "passion" and "devotion" to a subject, but that's only within context of this university system.
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I'm just curious if you have some kind of alternative system in mind. One where writing papers, reading, and taking tests doesn't exist and what this new system of evaluation would be. I honestly can't think of one that would make sense. If knowledge is the #1 thing, then what's wrong with testing that knowledge? You can't expect everyone to be a good student and do all the reading and love learning. Some people need incentive and need tests. I'm not gonna lie, I wouldn't do much of the reading for one of my classes if we didn't have weekly quizzes. So what's your alternative system which would be superior to the current one?</p>
<p>Lecaf - You're not even sharing alternative points, you're simply mocking my goals and telling me I want to be some greedy corporate lawyer and do this and that with my life, when it's not even true. What are your alternative points? Starg brings up another good point, this thread about people complaining about the educational system - what's a better system? What are your points? you've repeatedly mocked my life goals and told me I'll be miserable and I'm stuck in the matrix, when i'm genuinely happy...so what are your points?</p>
<p>Why do you keep coming back to the point that people are complaining in this thread? Nobody's complaining here. Starg never even brought that up. What is it that you want? You have the moral victory here. Not good enough for you?</p>
<p>Anyways, someone proposed before a system where you can just get certification for certain things by taking tests. This might even be far more efficient than the current education system today, that was defined a long time ago with the belief that just by going through college automatically qualifies you for certain jobs (it's less true today).</p>
<p>There's even the European education system. Really, tons of ideas.</p>
<p>lol what moral victory? seriously dude i'm just trying to figure out why you keep telling me i'm delusional, doomed to misery and will hate my life as some evil biglaw hotshot...it's kind of funny since you've never met me. and yeah, I have a dreamjob, one i probably won't get but there's nothing wrong with dreaming. it's ok to have your head in the clouds if your feet are on the ground. </p>
<p>no one's complaining here? Okay...:D Starg asked the people complaining this educational system doesn't work what their ideas are...well, what are they? </p>
<p>The European system varies from country to country, but as I understand it, they have more freedom from an earlier age. I know that in Italy you can go to a "Science" or "arts" school for high school if you've already decided you want to be say, a doctor or journalist. In some countries they go as far as to give you a test and tell you that you have to be X when you want Y (Syria as an example). I guess what I like about the American education system is we have more freedom of choice. If I want to I can become a doctor or lawyer or fruit-vendor, I can choose this now at 18. I say this as the daughter of immigrants from a country where they had no choice (grandparents immigrated here for education). just my perspective.</p>
<p>Lecaf, dude, you don't get it. How can you say what makes someone else happy or not? </p>
<p>So what if someone wants to go work for Citigroup or be a big corporate lawyer and sit in a cubicle all day? Maybe that is what makes them happy. Maybe everyone doesn't want to "fight the system" or whatever. It seems as though you're saying everyone working in a corporate environment is unhappy with their lives.</p>
<p>It's a waste of time trying to discuss things with you molly. You try to be as closed-minded as possible. I could care less who you are or how you think people should view you. It's the underlying points that matter. That you continue to try to engage me, as if you have something left unsettled, is quite telling.</p>
<p>tbolts, do you seriously want to run that by me again? BigLaw and Citigroup? Really? Are you some disillusioned college kid who believes everything that's presented to you?</p>
<p><em>Sigh</em> You either get it or you don't. Seriously a waste of time trying to present stuff to you kids from the suburbs.</p>
<p>Maybe...just maybe molly will leave this thread or return to the true spirit of x90's arguments. I'm not going to hold my breath though...so let's see what you say in your next post as you try to refute all my ideas in #35.</p>
<p>I agree it's a waste of time for us to discuss things. You simply insult everyone who disagrees, coming across as arrogant and narrow-minded. I'm sorry you're such an unhappy person that you feel the need to put down others for their goals and make silly assumptions about people you don't know. What are your underlying points? I don't even remember you making any, you simply repeatedly insult others and call us kids from the suburbs when you're coming across like an angry tween out to fight the man. </p>
<p>Why do you keep linking us to some MessageBoard where you rant in your spare time? Lawyers have done terrible things - so have Teachers, Bankers, Actors, Doctors, Psychiatrists, Fruit-vendors, Managers, Journalists, Reporters, Musicians, Fashion Designers, Architects, Explorers, Monarchs, Politicians, Policy-analysts, Artists, Writers, Students - all these have done great things too. Associating a person with the worst their kind has done makes no sense, like saying all white people are like Hitler or all blacks like OJ. </p>
<p>So what are your underlying points? You keep yakking about other people's lives and acting arrogant. I bet you'll fall back on your old "argument" of insulting me, telling me I'll be a miserable biglaw cubicle dweller, and saying I don't get it when you haven't presented anything to get.</p>
<p>"Nobody's complaining here. Starg never even brought that up."
"Starg asked the people complaining this educational system doesn't work what their ideas are"</p>
<p>umm I was just trying to say that since people are complaining the current system doesn't work, what else can we do? Right now it's like: Read a book. Write an essay. Take a test. How else do professors evalutate students? Through discussion alone? But shouldn't a Med student understand and be able to pass tests about medicine? Shouldn't an Engineer or Architect or Teacher study and pass their tests? Or I don't know...I'm trying to think but how else would we evaluate students on their knowledge efficiently? I think that's what the OP was trying to get at since he's fed up with the current system. </p>
<p>Ken285: I think everyone has a "dream" job but it's not always possible. How many people want to be doctors but aren't smart enough? Same thing with singers and actors. </p>
<p>LecafOz: I haven't read all your posts, but insulting people and bashing their "dreams" won't get you anywhere and makes you look a bit close-minded yourself. Anyway are you saying the European education system would work better in America? what country?</p>
<p>Molly4190: I think what the OP is trying to say is people start to care too much about grades rather than learning since grades are the ultimate evaluation. But I know in my college, things like class discussion get factored in as well, especially for Humanities classes.</p>
<p>Guys, guys. I'm just an idiot, and I insult people. I've also clearly stated that the European education system is better than the one in America. I'm also quite miserable with my life.</p>
<p>There. Now that those trivialities are out of the way, let's talk about just how close-minded I am. Stroke it!</p>