<p>Okay, so I live in New York and I got accepted to University of Michigan engineering so do I have a fairly good shot at University of Virginia, UNC-chapel hill, and UCLA? Am I in the competitive range of these three school or is Michigan easier to get accepted to than those three schools I previously listed? I don't want this to be a chance thread so I am not going to post any stats. Thanks.</p>
<p>im from CA and i got into U Mich too, and I just got a likely letter from UCLA (im pretty sure im in)…i think mich might be a bit easier b/c they take more kids, but i really don’t know. i’m still waiting for my decision too.</p>
<p>My brother last year got into (and ultimately decided on) UMich. He got waitlisted at Chicago, Duke, Penn, etc, so Mich isn’t a guarantee of any other decisions. We’re from PA.</p>
<p>Michigan is easier to get into than UCLA or Chapel Hill out of state. But, UVA is fairly easy to get into out of state.</p>
<p>I got into UNC out of state, do you think I have a chance at getting into UVA out of state?</p>
<p>If you got into UM Eng why are you even looking at UNC and UVa which either don’t have engineering or are nothing special in it?</p>
<p>I think UMich has a 20% more acceptance rate then the above schools</p>
<p>Of the four schools, Michigan is definitely the easiest to get in OOS. But, second barron’s query: Michigan has a top-notch engineering program and if that is your major, Ann Arbor is a no-brainer (assuming you have the $$ since UVa and UNC are less costly even for OOS).</p>
<p>Yeah, its basically boils down to the cost of the school. I know Michigan is the best school for engineering but the school cost so much; approximately 44,000 a year to attend and dorm plus they don’t give much financial aid. So I’m hoping some other schools such as UVa, Chapel Hill, or UCLA will accept me because they are slightly less expensive and supposedly give better aid. Also, my major does not necessarily have to be engineering; I’m willing to explore my options.</p>
<p>sorry, but UCLA (and the other UCs) does NOT give good finaid, even to instaters.</p>
<p>I just got a likely from UCLA so that sucks to hear what you just said bluebayou. However, does Virginia or UNC give better aid?</p>
<p>^It’s my understanding that UVa offers full need-based aid to OOS kids. Dunno 'bout UNC.</p>
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Totally wrong. Only ~20% of OOS applicants are accepted.</p>
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Wrong. UVa’s e-school has its perks, such as smaller size, certain programs are top-notch (systems, BmE, EE), and it allows for (and requires) humanities and other electives to be mixed in. Don’t jump to conclusions just because one school is sometimes ranked higher. UVa is a top 30 engineering school, and once you get into that range, it doesn’t make much difference where you go (unless it’s MIT or CalTech or something, but even then, you can totally waste an engineering degree)</p>
<p>shoebox - if one is: 1) serious about being an engineer; and ii) finances are equal, UMich does lend itself as a great choice. </p>
<p>I live in Northern Virginia, my brother is a former prof at UVa. I like UVa and am familiar with it. And while UVa is an excellent school and has a very bright cadre of engineering students, the engineering resources at UMich are astounding. </p>
<p>And UVa’s engineering school presents a conundrum for the top level in-state students. Many are bright enough to get merit aid at Tech, and while the general level of the student body at Tech is not at UVa’s level, the engineering and computer science resources are again astounding at Tech. I know of several Tech students that go there for virtually no cost - it just is too good of deal to pass up. And they gained entry into UVa. </p>
<p>Again, it is not about ranking - I think you are right about that - because the smarts of the student body at UVa is so high - but in a field where resources and goodies are highly valued, Michigan really stands out. </p>
<p>And Michigan’s graduate schools are just one after another in the top 10 in their field - particularly in the scientific and technical fields. They of course are separate from the undergraduate schools, but nevertheless top level engineering resources coalesce around Ann Arbor. </p>
<p>Just my perspective…</p>
<p>You echoed my point exactly. Each school has its perks. UMich, UVA, or any other school isn’t automatically the best for everyone. I just don’t see how one can regard UMich so much better, when there are obvious pros for UVA in some areas.
However, if you’re looking into business and engineering, definitely look hard into UVA. Research the business engineering minor, McIntire (#1 business school), and the cross-correlation between finance and systems engineering. May be exactly what you’re looking for. If you, sounds like you’ll have other great options.</p>
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<p>I did not. I’ve been involved in educ for a long time. The simple fact is that the Eng school at Mich is known internationally, just a notch below Cal, Stanford & MIT (the big three in Eng). If the OP was set upon Eng I would highly recommend Mich in a heartbeat. That being said, I have long believed that UVa offers the quintessential undergrad experience. And if I had a college do-over, I would put UVa at the top of my public college list; but then I don’t do engineering.</p>
<p>So, as someone who applied to all 4, and is now at UCLA, let me give it a shot :)</p>
<p>1) Michigan is an incredible school, so when you decide, don’t by any means think the quality of students is lower just because they admit more OOS.</p>
<p>2) That being said, Michigan does have a higher OOS admit rate, so I wouldn’t assume you’re a lock for the others by any means</p>
<p>3) To give you an idea of how I fared, I applied OOS to UM, UVA and UNC, and in-state to UCLA. I was admitted early action to Michigan, got a likely letter and admittance to UVA, was admitted to UCLA’s Honors program with a partial scholarship, and was deferred and then wait-listed (took name off) at UNC. In retrospect, I probably shouldn’t have applied EA to UNC, because my SAT went up about 160 points a week later lol. So, it’s definitely a crapshoot. One would think that likely letter/EA admission/honors program at the three schools would have implied OOS admission to UNC, but that wasn’t the case. However, I know of several people that got into UNC but not UVA/UCLA OOS, etc.</p>
<p>4) As for which one is best, that’s a personal preference. Michigan and UCLA are kinda known as the really prestigious research schools, but the other two have significant accomplishments in those areas as well. I personally didn’t get any financial aid from either Michigan or UVA, so it made the decision slightly easier, though I was really bummed initially because I’d wanted to go to one of those schools for a long time. I come from a pretty mid-class family, and my parents were already paying $25k/yr for my brother, so I’m not sure that speaks too well for either schools’ financial aid procedures. My UCLA scholarship was merit-based…</p>
<p>Anyway, go where you think you’ll truly enjoy, and just make the most of it! I knew I would have a blast at any of those 4 schools, because they’re all unique in their own way. That being said, I absolutely LOVE the people and atmosphere at UCLA, and couldn’t ask for a better experience. So if you get in, come here! ;)</p>
<p>Feel free to message me with any questions, since I also visited them all lol. Best of luck and congrats on the Michigan acceptance!</p>
<p>shoebox10, actually it is much easier for an out of state kid to get into UVA than it is to get into other schools out of state, considering that UVA has 30+ percent out of state and other schools like chapel hill dont nearly take as many out of staters because north carolina will only give funding to public universities if they have a high number of instate students. Also in Richmond, the legislatures are thinking of making the amount of out of state students be reduced dramatically to 20 or 15 percent, so this year would be a good year to get in out of state… before it gets much harder.</p>
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<p>This was discussed on another thread. My understanding is that the bill was killed. Do you have different data?</p>
<p>If you got a likely at UCLA (OOS) then you are pretty competitive so I think you have a pretty good chance at the other schools.</p>