<p>small nit, but UCLA does not do "likely" letters. UCLA does invite a small % to interview for a Regent's scholarship, which is a de facto admission, not a likely-to-be-admitted.</p>
<p>According to the UCLA forum they send out likely emails to engineering applicants...</p>
<p>yes it was killed for this year. but some legislatures are trying to make a bill for upcoming years.</p>
<p>worried: the invitations to the Eng Open House are de facto admission letters from the Dept., with the official letter to be released when the Registrar gets around to it. Showing up at the open house, the Dean says: Welcome Bruins'. [Yeah, I know, small difference from a likely, but a difference nonetheless.]</p>
<p>The discussion kinda of got off topic so can you guys tell me what are my chance at those other schools (UNC and Virginia). I'm in at Michigan and I have a pretty good chance at UCLA (the likely email). Also of the two, which ones - Michigan or UCLA - is tougher to get in. And between UNC and Virginia, which ones tougher to get in. Thanks a lot you guys.</p>
<p>Hard to tell without stats. But if you got in both UM and UCLA, chances are you'll get in at UVA. But as Vc08's example illustrates nothing is certain. They all have different criteria (once you are in the ballpark stats wise). In fact the likely letter board is very revealing. Some of these people probably who got likely letters have something very unique in their apps because their stats, while in the ballpark, are not spectacular.</p>
<p>On the contrary, if you got into UM and UCLA, chances are uncertain if you'll get accepted at UVA. As an OOS, UVA is hardest to get into compared to the other two schools.</p>
<p>I thought the University of California schools are the most difficult to get accepted to because they accept so few OOS students and of those accepted, their stats are generally pretty impressive. If I recall correctly, at UCLA only like 6 percent of the students there are from OOS although they obviously accept more than 6 percent of the students.</p>
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Actually I'd say the open-house invites are more sure than a likely letter. According to my roommates, who are both engineering majors, it means "you have a 99.9% chance of getting in." Basically unless you do something really stupid while the letter is sitting on the admissions board, you're in.</p>
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I'd say UCLA and UVA are very comparable. The vast majority of OOS students here (at UCLA) were admitted to Ivy League schools, as is with UVA. Also, the OOS admit rate at UCLA (~25-27%) is slightly lower than at UVA. Worried, UCLA is ~8% OOS, but they admit more because of the yield (i/e many of those admitted OOS choose to go to Ivy Leagues or other top schools, especially since OOS tuition is comparable to private unis)</p>
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Statistics-wise, UCLA is tougher than Michigan OOS. Michigan admits a fairly high # of in-state students for a school of their caliber, so you have that going for you. But don't let admit % fool you! Odd things happen all the time, and with the competition, you never know. Between UNC and UVA, I'd say it's really pretty equal. Actually, I'd say it would be hard to determine which of the three: UNC, UVA and UCLA, are "hardest" to get into, as they're all so tough it's really a crapshoot. You're a good candidate for them all, but you basically have a 70-80% chance of getting rejected at each one, so you can see the odds are against you no matter what.</p>
<p>For now, don't worry about which one is harder; you've gotten into UCLA and Michigan, both great schools, and have a great shot at the others. If it's meant to be, it'll work out!</p>
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I thought the University of California schools are the most difficult to get accepted to because they accept so few OOS students and of those accepted, their stats are generally pretty impressive. If I recall correctly, at UCLA only like 6 percent of the students there are from OOS although they obviously accept more than 6 percent of the students.
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<p>Negative, the UCs just don't recieve that many qualified apps who want to pay full price (UC finaid is poor, particulary for OOS). There is no cap or limit to OOS acceptance.</p>
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<p>I don't believe that for a second. I'm guessing its urban legend. The simple fact is that the stats for OOS kids are similar to that of unhooked instate (mostly A's and ~700 test scores). Yes, those are the numbers also needed for the Ivies, but thousands of kids each year get into Cal and UCLA with those numbers but they do not get into the Ivies.</p>
<p>And, yes, UMich is definitely easier than Cal and UCLA for OOS. Heck, UMich OOS is easier than UCLA instate (but then as I noted the instate-OOS numbers at UCLA are similar).</p>
<p>"But, UVA is fairly easy to get into out of state."</p>
<p>Not true, it is actually pretty hard.</p>
<p>So interesting to read the different opinions. S is facing similar choices; how to balance the prestige of the university, the engineering department's strength and the final cost.
UVA (likely letter -IS), UCLA (engineering likely -oos-), Purdue, PSU, VT; few others to hear from later in the month.</p>
<p>Good luck for your daughter Butterfly18!</p>
<p>I really think you have good if not great chances at UVa and UNC since a likely at UCLA means that you're a well sought after applicant which therefore means you are competitive or have some special talent or something quite unique.</p>
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<p>So of the 7 people I thought of just off the top of my head (disregarding athletes) who are OOS here, 5 were admitted to Ivy's, and one was admitted to MIT and Notre Dame (not an Ivy, but comparable), and the other got into Duke and Stanford (again, not Ivy's, but comparable).</p>
<p>So I guess I should edit my statement and say that the majority of OOS students here either got into an Ivy League school (or probably could have, if they'd applied), or a school of that caliber (eg ND, Duke, Stanford, CalTech, MIT, etc).</p>
<p>But it's silly to argue, really. I don't think you go here, so if you want to visit someday and see for yourself, we've got some great tour guides ;)</p>
<p>AnyHOO, back to the original intent of the thread. Off to study for finals, good luck to the OP!</p>
<p>Class2009: Now that they are accepting more OOS students this year, I think your chances or getting accepted are even greater.</p>