<p>If not going to HYP, which ivy league is considered the most prestigious? Also where does Duke fit in the picture. Any thoughts?</p>
<p>based on rankings alone, Penn is the next Ivy in line.</p>
<p>Yes, but Columbia, Penn and Dartmouth are just one away, so I am wondering</p>
<p><em>sigh</em></p>
<p>after hyp they're all the same really. certain schools may have more prestigious programs. for example cornell would be more prestigious than brown in engineering, but brown might be more prestigious than cornell in A&Ses.</p>
<p>Historically its been (1-3) HYP, (4-5) Dartmouth and Columbia (6) Penn, (7) Brown, and (8) Cornell.</p>
<p>Penn has moved up in the rankings lately, but I agree with jags861 in that the programs determine which is better. For example, no one would argue that Penn has the best business program at the undergrad level, but then Cornell is the only other Ivy to offer undergraduate business. And Harvard and Cornell have top-rated architecture programs, but basic English/History core is top-rated at Columbia. Brown is tops for Applied Math, but not for engineering.</p>
<p>Most of these schools have pretty good programs in general, though--that's why an Ivy-league education is so highly rated overall.</p>
<p>Thoughts on Duke and Hopkins?</p>
<p>Hopkins - lifesciences... med(pre)... Duke I'm not so sure about, seems to a generally all around, fairly strong school on the rise</p>
<p>Columbia. Duke and Johns Hopkins are not Ivys.</p>
<p>Well, before the 60's, it was actually H and Columbia at the top.
Then New York fell, and Columbia went with it.</p>
<p>Over the years, it's become HYP --> C --> DB ---> Penn, Cornell, but over the last few years, Penn has risen to the "middle" tier with Dartmouth and Brown, and Columbia still floats somewhere in between HYP and the "middle tier," although it's risen over the last few years and is very slowly approaching HYP (although not on USNews).</p>
<p>It's basically:
Tier 2: Columbia, Wharton (but you'll be labeled a bad person)
Tier 3: Penn (the rest of it), Dartmouth, Brown
Tier 4: Cornell</p>
<p>I hate the word "prestigious". It is the most shallow word ever created in the English vocabulary. When I am world dictator, it will be stricken from the dictionary and my Ministry of Truth will destroy all past usage of this word, including this thread. Clandestine users of the word will be investigated and eventually given "invitations" by the secret police at night. </p>
<p>Seriously. Judging prestige is a very personal matter. Judge by your major and not the brand recognition of the school. Also important is how comfortable you are at the school, atmosphere, size, distance, urban/rural, cost, etc. Be sure to take these into consideration.</p>
<p>thank you gryffon....that word drives me nuts and is pretty meaningless</p>
<p>umm in world rankings its usually hyp, then columbia, then cornell..then brown,dartmouth,upenn.</p>
<p>This is really silly- it is obvious that someone going to Penn is going to rank Penn higher and someone going to brown or Cornell is going to rank them higher. I think this is just the battle of the egos. If you really want to know what is “best”- look at the individual majors.</p>
<p>HYP -> Columbia -> Cornell (more graduate level tho) -> Penn -> Dartmouth Brown</p>
<p>God forbid you end up at an "inferior" Ivy.</p>
<p>What do you mean Columbia isn't an ivy a77? It is part of the ivy athletic league. I'd say it is an ivy, since the Ivy League is just an athletic league.</p>
<p>In my opinion it should be Penn and then all the others, cause we all really know who the cool ivy leaguers are (and they're definitly not at harvard hehe)</p>
<p>Eh...as long as Princeton's on top the world is A-OK.</p>
<p>a) a77 was not saying Columbia was not an Ivy, that person was saying Columbia is next in line. and also saying that Duke and JHU are not Ivies.</p>
<p>b) Prestige is defined one way now... but down the road, your school could wind up at the bottom of the ivy league (god forbid..........). Go with a school you like, and have fun there... you're there for 4 years, it shouldn't be a matter of which school other people will like more, it should be a matter of which school you like more.</p>
<p>c) if you go by rankings, yes it's HYP, but in this order, Princeton, Harvard, Yale, then Penn, then Dartmouth and Columbia are tied, then Cornell, then Brown...
I'm just going by a formula used which takes into account many different things that are not hearsay. And remember, this might change next year... Harvard was first just last year(if I remember correctly)</p>